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What is your opinion on Windows 10 so far?
Exactly what it says. What is your opinion about Windows 10 so far? Do you have it installed? Would you recommend it? Do you think it is better or worse than older Windows versions?
I installed it and it's good.
 
27.3%, 12 votes
I installed it but it isn't worth it.
 
9.1%, 4 votes
I didn't install it, but I would like to someday.
 
6.8%, 3 votes
I don't want to install it.
 
45.5%, 20 votes
I'm not sure I like it or not.
 
2.3%, 1 vote
I don't use Windows.
 
9.1%, 4 votes
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Posted on 12-29-15 04:17:13 PM Link | Quote
There's, code-wise, one issue that'd make Win9 silly; the fact NT and higher has code referring to "win9x".

But according to Microsoft, they chose to use 10 because "They want people to know they're listening".

If they were listening, they'd have done 9, since every even Windows release is absolutely shit.

Reality is probably that it's a dumb attempt to jump numbers fast like what Firefox did to keep up with everyone else's "version numbers".

Meanwhile, win10 sucks and will always suck.
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Posted on 01-07-16 01:18:15 PM Link | Quote
hah, the "linearly increasing version number" bandwagon, another of those stupid new things (discover Chrome 172 on your Windows 43 install!)

well I guess it's better than some ridiculous versioning schemes ala "v15.000084.12334.0006511442.613230007"



so anyway they pushed an update to something and that broke Outlook under Windows 8 and 10, my dad had quite a lot of trouble with that

solution? get dirty, add a registry key in some impossible place (well glad they still let you mess with the registry...)



let's also quote the case of Age of Mythology: game is listed as "compatible, no action required"...

... yet, it won't even start, because Windows 10 lacks a proper SafeDisc driver (amazing, another example of an old thing getting lost to DRM)

related thread on the Microsoft support forum, note the amazingly useful reply provided by Microsoft (ensure you have turned your computer on)

solution? get a no-CD crack
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Posted on 01-09-16 04:10:06 AM Link | Quote
Saying "eat shit" to SafeDisc is arguably a good thing. Old, buggy DRM that can intercepts ATAPI calls and has proven to be able to be emulated and hooked? Sounds like a hell of an attack vector. Microsoft knows their products have a reputation for historically being easy to infiltrate crap, and they're looking to minimize bad third-party junk from contributing to the assholes going "durr micro$haft is the real virus hurrrrr" all day long.

I've enjoyed Windows 10 so far. Everything I need works fine on it and quite frankly I like the new Start Menu. That being said I also had good experiences with Windows 8.1.
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Posted on 01-09-16 09:37:17 AM Link | Quote
I guess


the issue however, is that a) they take the decision to remove programs they deem incompatible from your computer without asking you first, and b) they don't even judge it properly (a 'compatible' program that is actually not...)


I have no problem with dealing with my own mistakes, but I'd rather not have to deal with Microsoft's mistakes when they decide to take action for you
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Posted on 01-17-16 05:17:25 PM (last edited by Zeether at 01-17-16 05:17:39 PM) Link | Quote
So now MS is saying new processors like Intel's Skylake will only work with Windows 10.

It's not going to be a thing until 2017 or so but it looks like I will have to upgrade my OS if I want to use Skylake on a custom desktop build. Fun.
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Posted on 01-17-16 05:27:36 PM Link | Quote
I call bullshit


unless Skylake has a completely different ISA but it doesn't seem to be the case
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Posted on 01-17-16 05:31:49 PM Link | Quote
Obviously they're not going to let people use an OS that makes more sense.

In any case, we can always see how Linux distros handle this processor and how much has to actually be added/changed.
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Posted on 01-17-16 07:27:49 PM Link | Quote
They're only discontinuing support. There's nothing special about Skylake that makes it fundamentally incompatible with Windows 7 (or Windows 1 for that matter).
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Posted on 01-17-16 08:38:14 PM Link | Quote
So basically I *could* use a Skylake with 7 but extra features that would only work on 10 would just not work?
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Posted on 01-18-16 02:42:56 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by StapleButter
So we have computers at home that run Windows 10, been watching that for a while and here are my feelings:

* mom always badgering me about how retro I am everytime this is brought up, as if I was using Windows 3.1. I'm not switching to 10, accept it and shut up, thank you.

* half the time, those computers are getting updates that take ages to download and install. And it's mandatory now. As if Windows Update wasn't annoying enough.

* "all your files are exactly where you left them", "we are preparing your computer", etc... Windows 10 is creepy. It feels like Microsoft is here, right in your computer, watching you and trying to communicate with you.

* It takes the decision to delete your shit without asking you. No thanks. It's like if your bank took the decision to give some of your money to random people behind your back. Also further reinforcing the feeling that you're sharing a computer with Microsoft and not really owning anything.

* the windows are ugly, hell, even Windows 3.1 looks nicer (and is more customizable and trustable). But I guess that doesn't matter, eventually your computer is meant to become a giant smartphone. Although it'd be silly to name it Windows if it doesn't have windows anymore... right? Might as well rename it to Skynet or something.


* "please wait while we are setting up shit" "oh and check this out in the meantime"... yeah, and what happened to progress bars? Or showing the user what is actually happening? Microsoft goes further in pretending the average user is a moron. (even if many are actually morons, maybe educating them is better than turning PCs into baby toys?)


* Does Windows 10 have anything actually new? Doesn't seem like it. I mean... Windows 7 already does everything I want and more. So why bother switching? Hell, even ye olde XP already does everything I want.




Pretty much sums up my feelings about Windows 10, and I will be avoiding it forever on Windows 7. It's evil and Satanic. Forced Windows updates, Orwellian privacy issues, fricking "apps"? No start menu, desktop gadgets, and forced (TMK) MS Account usage during setup? And rumors of W10 being a paid subscription-based service for some features? Malarky. The quicker Windows 10 dies, the better the technoverse will be.



* "all your files are exactly where you left them", "we are preparing your computer", etc... Windows 10 is creepy. It feels like Microsoft is here, right in your computer, watching you and trying to communicate with



the NSA. Fixed that for you .
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Posted on 01-18-16 04:59:14 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Zeether
So now MS is saying new processors like Intel's Skylake will only work with Windows 10.

It's not going to be a thing until 2017 or so but it looks like I will have to upgrade my OS if I want to use Skylake on a custom desktop build. Fun.

I think you misunderstood them:
Originally posted by Wikipedia
In January 2016, Microsoft announced that it will only support Windows 10 on Skylake processors effective July 17, 2017, ending most support for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. After the July 17, 2017 deadline, only the "most critical" updates for the two operating systems will be released for Skylake users if they have been judged not to effect the reliability of the OS on older hardware.

Like Joe said, what this means is that you can use any older OS with Skylake processors, thing is, you lose official Microsoft support. That's it. Kinda like XP currently, you can still use it but Microsoft doesn't support it anymore.

This reminds me of the Magnavox Odyssey more or less, when it was released, there was a very well-spread rumor that it only worked with Magnavox TVs, so in the end way less people ended up buying it. Turns out, it works on any TV...well, at least any old TV. Technology has marched on since then but y'know, the point is, Microsoft is trying to do the same (somewhat) to, guess what, force everyone into Windows 10.
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Posted on 01-18-16 08:12:58 AM Link | Quote
well, yeah

acting like the users are idiots and feeding them with bullshit to make them believe whatever they want

keeping the people into ignorance and manipulating them

guess what also does that?

dictatorships
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Posted on 01-18-16 09:04:50 PM Link | Quote
Honestly the one concern I have with 10 is whether or not some old games like Mechwarrior 3 will run on it. By that I mean "make it past setup."

Granted I could just use a VM since I know how to and I know that I'd have to use one for the 3DFX version of Mechwarrior 2.
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Posted on 01-24-16 05:35:50 PM Link | Quote
I've been using Windows 10 for a while now and I think it's fine. I quickly readjusted from the Start Screen back to the Start Menu.
Also, there ARE Service Packs, but they come a lot quicker now, and aren't called Service Packs. The first one released back in November and fixed the problem where you couldn't use any color but white for window border colors, among many MANY other fixes. Also, a new Skype client that has zero cruft that's simply called "Messaging".
The next major update will be hitting several months from now, codenamed "Redstone". The big change I can remember off the top of my head is the Edge browser is getting an extensions system similar to Chrome's.
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Posted on 01-30-16 03:16:43 PM (last edited by Zero One at 01-30-16 03:17:17 PM) Link | Quote
I'm pretty sure my Win10 upgrade was completely botched. When I restart and try to boot into Windows, there's a very good chance that it'll actually fail to boot, and I'll be stuck waiting for the taskbar to load in properly, which it never does. Meanwhile, I can't actually launch anything. The start button works, but it only works once. To fix this, I have to turn off the computer with the power switch, because Windows won't shut down normally. Then, I have to just sit on the login screen for a few minutes, or Windows will just fail to boot again. I should point out that Win10 is installed on an SSD, so having to wait any longer than a few seconds is outrageous.

Also, I'm somehow still on build 10240. I am not deferring upgrades at all, and currently, Windows is telling me that there are no updates available at this time. Yet, I'm clearly missing some updates.

And the updating itself is completely botched. It never alerts me to schedule and update, even though I've told it to do that. When I go ahead and manually arrange a restart, I'll set it for something like 3:30am, when I'm not on my computer, only to wake up and find that it didn't even bother restarting.

Honestly, Win10 can fuck right off. I'd downgrade to 8.1 if that didn't require money. I'll be wiping and reinstalling 10 after I'm done with University. Hopefully, it should fix these errors, but they should never have occurred in the first place.
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Posted on 01-30-16 03:24:56 PM Link | Quote
hm

as far as messed up my Win7 install is (read: broken version checking, broken Windows Update, being unable to install SP1, hybernation having a 50% chance of messing things up, etc), I've never experienced boot failure.

the "closest" thing to this would be when the BIOS gets confused and doesn't find the hard drive.
it happens to me sometimes, but a simple Ctrl-Alt-Del takes it away
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Posted on 01-30-16 03:26:19 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, it's probably not that. I can physically get to Windows and I can log in, but it'll just hang forever on trying to load the desktop and the taskbar. And it's an intermittent problem, which makes it harder to nail down.
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Posted on 02-19-16 07:29:11 PM Link | Quote
So apparently Microsoft has pushed the Windows 10 upgrade from an "optional' Windows Update patch to a "recommended" update. By default, recommended updates are enabled on new Windows 7/8 installs for Windows Update, but can be disabled. Microsoft really wants people to accidentally hop on the bleeding edge of Windows 10 .

GHacks article
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Posted on 02-19-16 07:32:42 PM Link | Quote
And what's next? An update that forcefully downgrades to Windows 10? Or that slows down 7 installs or plain bricks them until 10 is installed?


Windows Update is staying off here, no matter what.
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Posted on 04-01-16 09:36:42 AM Link | Quote
Microsoft hides 'Get Windows 10' nags in security updates


They're reaching a whole new low.


(yes, for now it's only in IE, but this doesn't forecast anything good)
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