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Xkeeper






Posted on 08-11-15 03:08:46 PM Link | Quote
I'm still strongly of the opinion that the art/creativity forum would continue to be more of an empty shell than anything good, personally. I've mentioned merging it before and tend to hear the same thing every time, but it's never really gone anywhere being on its own.
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Posted on 08-11-15 03:33:18 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I have been considering merging Jul forums down to about 5:

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- Main (General, News, Music/Entertainment, Art)
- Silly
- Help/Suggestions
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- Gaming
- TCRF
- ROM Hacking, as a legacy holdover forum
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I have no objections to this, seeing as the News, Art, Multimedia and Technology forums are barely being used.
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Posted on 08-12-15 12:46:36 AM Link | Quote
I used to worry that merging Art will cause the art stuff to get buried under news and stuff, but at this point I'm okay with it. In fact, putting art in the central area would give our creative stuff more attention. We can always split off Art again if it becomes a problem.
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Posted on 08-12-15 03:48:34 PM Link | Quote
So it's been my experience that small sites do better with fewer forums. I'm sure there's some optimal number of forums per active user, and maybe somebody will go out there and figure it out, but whatever the case is, fewer is always better. We've all been to invisionfree boards with 200 forums and 5 users.

That said, I never thought of Jul as having an overwhelming number of forums, but I tend to not come around much, so my view of the activity is a bit (Very) skewed. Just a note on the art forum though: There are ideas for merging it and not merging it, and honestly they're all just as bad. You should merge it with General (or something else) because the few threads that go in there will get more exposure; well that's not true. The people who would look at those threads know where to find them already. You shouldn't merge it because threads will get buried below other threads; okay, but that doesn't change anything, they're still there and nobody looks at them.

I'm not 100% on how Jul feels about reviving old threads but I have the opinion that if someone bumped their 8 month old art thread with new art because they just haven't been posting throughout the school year, it would be acceptable. Maybe? So either way, it both works and doesn't, and you should go with what you feel. Eight threads in a year isn't terribly bad for a small, niche group of friends.

And on Craziness... Well, personally I don't like forums like that are... uhm... Like that. I've found that, especially among smaller forums, it's better to have a more relaxed general, but I've never seen a forum get rid of the spam forum and not regret it. So you may want to consider that.

Most of you don't know me so my opinion probably means nothing but those are just my thoughts on the subject, from someone who's seen a lot of very large forums become very small, and a lot of very small forums become very dead.

I think you're on the right track, but don't confuse more posts per forum as more activity. Streamlining the board will only do so much. Especially with fall around the corner. The main thing you have to worry about is getting over poster apathy. "Why should i post on Jul when I can just post on facebook* and all the same people (And then some) see it anyway?" My recommendation: Pay someone to create content (In this case I suggest romhacks?). Not convenient? Not feasible? Though. I know it. But original content is what brings people to a site. It's too bad VGFacts kind of steals appropriates content form TCRF and makes videos with it, because you could do that and probably have all of their forum users. Hint.

The simple matter is, if you want more posts, you need more posters, not fewer forums. Go to where people are and bring them here. How? I don't know, if you figure it out, please tell me.

*Don't give me your "I don't go to facebook" shit, you know this is the problem, even if it's not specific to facebook, or to you.
Xkeeper






Posted on 08-14-15 02:52:21 AM Link | Quote
I think I've mostly decided that I'm going to merge them the way they're laid out in the first post Soon™. Not sure when, exactly, but you know how it goes.


I'm not 100% on how Jul feels about reviving old threads but I have the opinion that if someone bumped their 8 month old art thread with new art because they just haven't been posting throughout the school year, it would be acceptable. Maybe? So either way, it both works and doesn't, and you should go with what you feel. Eight threads in a year isn't terribly bad for a small, niche group of friends.

Generally nobody cares if you're posting with a good reason. The problem is that with how slow Jul is, an eight-month thread might actually be so dead nobody remembers it. But generally as long as it's a real update nobody will say anything.


And on Craziness... Well, personally I don't like forums like that are... uhm... Like that. I've found that, especially among smaller forums, it's better to have a more relaxed general, but I've never seen a forum get rid of the spam forum and not regret it. So you may want to consider that.

Craziness isn't a spam forum so much as it is just very relaxed -- think IRC chatter.


I think you're on the right track, but don't confuse more posts per forum as more activity. Streamlining the board will only do so much. Especially with fall around the corner. The main thing you have to worry about is getting over poster apathy.

All too aware. But part of it is also making active discussions; if nobody's posting, nobody will post. If there's active discussion, people have a reason to come back and communicate with others. Condensing things helps keep it concentrated into a few specific spots, so that it's a lot easier to find and follow stuff, even if you aren't necessarily interested in it.



Just post on facebook

Someone who basically all-but-quit can be quoted as saying "(forums) never won me anything", because they had been entering giveaways on Twitter. It's just a fact that social media like this is going to be more "interesting" and fulfilling because of the chance of going viral — everyone loves seeing their stuff spread around and liked or whatever.

Forums fill in a small niche by being personal. You can generally follow whatever thread you want, whenever you want, and get to know individual people. Compare to, say, Facebook or Twitter, where talking to people is intermittent, and often utterly vapid; no real discussion lasts for more than a few minutes on average, and especially in the case of Facebook your discussion might be magicked away by faceless algorithms. Whereas forums, generally everything stays put, and you can follow at your own pace. There's no huge timeline you have to dig through.



TL;DR: I am very aware of the problems surrounding forums these days. I don't really have a major solution other than to provide a safe, tight-knit community where people can discuss and talk at length without drowning in noise.
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Posted on 08-22-15 06:21:16 PM Link | Quote
I think this is a great idea with the potential of bringing some more activity to the board as a whole. I for one, almost never remember to visit some of the forums (like Art, for example) even though I'm sure sometimes there's some interesting stuff there. Merging things will inevitably increase visibility for everything, especially since as you said, the recent low activity will ensure there still won't be a situation where fringe stuff gets drowned out by the more casual threads.
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Posted on 08-24-15 09:53:22 PM Link | Quote
A handful of active subforums is better than lots of inactive subforums.
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