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Posted on 03-14-17 07:45:03 PM (last edited by puddinpops at 03-14-17 07:50:35 PM) Link | Quote
You're delusional if you think Hugo's gonna go against his NDA and progressing his professional career just to get inside info to bring back to his forum buddies, not to mention any "info" that you guys are giving him basically boils down to "it would be nice to have this prototype, wouldn't it be nice? gee it would sure be nice".

This is getting ridiculous.
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Posted on 03-14-17 08:58:13 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by puddinpops
You're delusional if you think Hugo's gonna go against his NDA and progressing his professional career just to get inside info to bring back to his forum buddies, not to mention any "info" that you guys are giving him basically boils down to "it would be nice to have this prototype, wouldn't it be nice? gee it would sure be nice".

This is getting ridiculous.



I merely stated that NDAs suck. Also, members of my family have had NDAs used against them to the effect f covering illegal activities, so can't say I respect such contracts. I did state I, personally will find everything I can do to nullify such contracts I am subjected to. Technically, there's a few at the level of file distribution I have to deal with. I dare not breach them because I could easily be tracked down.

I don't recall giving much issue, I've explicitly stated most of what I've "found" is old news, and may or may not have been brought-up here. There are observations of mine that I haven't YET heard mentioned elsewhere, like "Introduction" seeming to appear in both one hour video and the trailer (said music piece in itself is an enigma cuz I can't find the date of origin for it!)

Have I stated it'd be nice to have the prototype? yes... Have I demanded it? Hell no, what good does that do? I have expressed combinations of discontent and partial disbelief in current state of affairs with the game, but I'm not going to force someone to do something. Quite doubt Mr. Quetch is going to force someone to either... Especially since some people are keen to take equally as drastic measures in response.

What IS getting ridiculous is people making drama and taking stuff out of context here. From what I can tell, this very thing (minus drama) occurred in this thread before. Someone also could call Hugo, himself 'delusional' waaaay back when the investigation of this prototype started because of assuming/hoping that the entire DP ROM was intact on the kiosk demo. I don't expect him to go against an NDA. I, myself wouldn't if the risks were so high, UNLESS it was covering unethical and criminal activities.

I for one, didn't come to get caught-up in such a petty argument. I came to observe, or contribute what I possibly can. I want to part in this fighting, yet I am dragged-in because I have to justify EVERYTHING I do or say, lest have whatever reputation or standing I have with the members of this community and/or its staff, blasted to oblivion. That said, can we please STOP this arguing and accusations? It's doing nothing but to make blood boil and waste time. All that's being done now is a bad example is being set for the DP fanbase, because certain people are being told to shut-up and outright accused of saying things they didn't do, or didn't say, or didn't mean to be taken that way. These arguments that seem to keep popping up are basically sending the following message: "The DP fanbase is toxic, and full of a bunch of dreamers who won't allow their fellow dreamers to dream or express their concerns/complaints, and furthermore will throw them under the bus any chance they get" I'm sick of it, I'm tired of coming back to this thread to find an argument, and I wouldn't be surprised if Hugo, himself, is now regretting saying anything at all. In his shoes, I would want to take back anything I said, since it somehow has caused conflict, rather then curiosity or the slightest shred of hope. So, can we just STOP, and WAIT till someone goes so far as to literally say "GOD DAMMIT, GIVE ME THE INFO/ROM!" ? , because no one has said that even once...
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Posted on 03-15-17 07:26:23 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ihadtnowegtum
I for one, didn't come to get caught-up in such a petty argument. (...) That said, can we please STOP this arguing and accusations? It's doing nothing but to make blood boil and waste time.


Then could you please stop replying to each and every post with what seems to be enough writing for a novel, and refrain from double posting constantly with said novels?

And if you quote someone, please shorten the quote, copying the entire post does nothing but artifically stretch out your replies, and clutter the thread.

And greet your parents from me, tell your dad to not do the 'desktop cleaning' again, and stand up to your mom.

Thank you.
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Posted on 03-15-17 07:39:33 AM Link | Quote
Guys this discussion is utterly pointless...

The last thing I'm going to say for now is that the people who work at Rare at this moment are focused on their new IP - most of them know vaguely about DP and its history but there's no reason for them to do something outrageous like leaking a rom.

Anyways there is one question I can answer about what languages I use: I've used GML for a long time, then I moved to C# for my Beyond: Two Souls reverse engineering project (http://forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=11411), then I moved to C++ and Unreal Engine 4 which I'm working in almost every day now at University. For the rest I've used Lua, JavaScript, etc. You can find all that stuff on my resume: http://hugo.fyi/resume
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Posted on 03-15-17 07:50:38 AM (last edited by ihadtnowegtum at 03-15-17 08:08:46 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hugo_Peters
Guys this discussion is utterly pointless...

The last thing I'm going to say for now is that the people who work at Rare at this moment are focused on their new IP - ...

Anyways there is one question I can answer about what languages I use: ... http://hugo.fyi/resume


Pretty much...

That makes sense
And that REALLY makes sense. Saying they even had the ROM or smomesuch, as I said, not ideal Nintendo learns such a thing. And certainly not ideal to leak it.

Hmm, how does JavaScript go for you? From my experiences it's nothing but an absolute pain to work with, and for some purposes just slow as f---

Originally posted by Kett


Then could you please stop replying to each and every post with ... a novel, and refrain from double posting constantly with said novels?

And... shorten the quote, copying the entire post does nothing but...

And greet your parents from me, tell your dad to not do the 'desktop cleaning' again, and stand up to your mom.

Thank you.



I'm at a loss for words at this point...

I could write (and have written) these 'novels' just to explain why in fact, I cannot. But, I'm too tired and annoyed to do such right now. Even flat-out double-posting I now try to cut, btw, so now naturally replying to new replies is forbidden? alriiight...

...stop the context from being lost?

i am in no control of either... my older sister won't, either... my mom is that special type of person who generally ignores input with all others, and my dad is inclined to do incredibly stupid things. I cannot afford to push her so far, because I'm already in a bad spot already. and WHY are we even bringing this up in detail??? talk about off-topic and generally non-constructive to the thread at all.

That's all I have to say, I'm ignoring this thread, now. It's gone from potentially productive/interesting to outright toxic.
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Posted on 03-15-17 08:24:23 AM Link | Quote

i am in no control of either... my older sister won't, either... my mom is that special type of person who generally ignores input with all others, and my dad is inclined to do incredibly stupid things. I cannot afford to push her so far, because I'm already in a bad spot already. and WHY are we even bringing this up in detail??? talk about off-topic and generally non-constructive to the thread at all.



There he goes again, telling us about his family, taking the bait.

Literally noone cares about your family, or how much you're in a bad spot, or anything, this is the wrong thread for that kind of stuff, and WHY are you "even bringing this up in detail???"

Yes, please stay away until you have calmed down.
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Posted on 03-15-17 07:55:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hugo_Peters
So I was flown into the UK last week to visit Rare, what an amazing studio!
Had a nice lunch with one of the senior engineers, met all of the different tech departments, and got the opportunity to play some Sea of Thieves with none other than Chris Marlow!



They also gave me a bunch of neat goodies!



I hope I'll get a job there some day =)


That's amazing that you got a chance to go visit RARE! That was also very nice of them to give you some free goodies as well.
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Posted on 03-28-17 01:23:43 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by gilgamesh
Language Modifier (French)
0038C801 00000001



Ah, here are a few more!

0038C801 00000002 - Japanese
0038C801 00000003 - Italian
0038C801 00000004 - Spanish
0038C801 00000005 - German




You won't be getting as much text out of Italian, Spanish and German, though.
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Posted on 04-01-17 10:46:03 PM Link | Quote
How does the giant code work? Can you even progress at all at that size? These kind of codes definitely fit better in a game like BK so that's probably one of the reasons they left them out. Still cool though.
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Posted on 04-28-17 11:57:49 PM Link | Quote
Just thought I'd say something real quick:

This time I'm not getting into any heated arguments or anything... ever again.

I've been buckling a lot of C under my belt, and the 'Make' and 'Spec' files are becoming easier.
C in general is becoming more understandable - so it's really awesome!

I plan on getting this DP home brew to be made when I get the chance to make it happen.
All I can do is keep learning C. I'll also be making models, textures, etc.

Most of it'll be custom. Since we all know what happened to DP.

Only time can tell until this home brew comes out. Cross your fingers. I mean it.
I'm going on a mission so if I'm not back with this in 3 - 5 years, don't expect it anymore.

If anyone is already making something, I'd like to know how the progress is going.

Seeing all of this Starfox Adventures content just makes me more sad... We need DP!

Good luck...

By the way gilgamesh, thanks for all the DP 'unraveling', and to anyone / everyone else who partook in it.
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Posted on 04-29-17 04:30:19 AM Link | Quote
I'll say nothing more than that can be unreasonably difficult sometimes.
Just among my friends and family, a 'friendly' discussion/debate goes south quite often.
On the internet, it's so much worse, especially these days, and I say this of no site in particular.

yeah, that is awesome!

yeah, good luck with all that!

yep...converted or destroyed

Oh, it could take quite some time.

I consider it, but my technical skills likely would make it a 2d adaptation. I'd still try to stay as true to original as possible. However, it's an ambitious project, and one I don't plan to do without an actual game engine.

I must agree. I once really wanted to play Adventures. I now REALLY want to play DP.

IIRC, there's still a few files not even cracked... ? Unless I glanced-over everything when I originally binge-read this entire thread.
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Posted on 04-29-17 11:51:10 AM Link | Quote
i had started a personal project to remake DP with Unity before the big breakthroughs in this thread had started happening, then stopped to shift my focus on helping out here.

as far as files yet undocumented, while most of them are mentioned in the tcrf pages not much of the actual content is gone over.
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Posted on 04-29-17 12:52:05 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ihadtnowegtum
I'll say nothing more than that can be unreasonably difficult sometimes.
Just among my friends and family, a 'friendly' discussion/debate goes south quite often.
On the internet, it's so much worse, especially these days, and I say this of no site in particular.

yeah, that is awesome!

yeah, good luck with all that!

yep...converted or destroyed

Oh, it could take quite some time.

I consider it, but my technical skills likely would make it a 2d adaptation. I'd still try to stay as true to original as possible. However, it's an ambitious project, and one I don't plan to do without an actual game engine.

I must agree. I once really wanted to play Adventures. I now REALLY want to play DP.

IIRC, there's still a few files not even cracked... ? Unless I glanced-over everything when I originally binge-read this entire thread.


I agree with some things you say. I apologize, but up to this point I only feel like you're constantly following me... and it truly is just ticking me off now. Heck, I'd quit production just so you do stop. (I'm kidding by the way) So unless you've got something that's REALLY worthwhile, perhaps you can just stop it. For all I care, maybe you should learn C and see if you can do any better. Thank you.

Alright, that's it. Back to being a normal human being.
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Posted on 05-10-17 04:55:18 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by 2Tie
i had started a personal project to remake DP with Unity before the big breakthroughs in this thread had started happening, then stopped to shift my focus on helping out here.

as far as files yet undocumented, while most of them are mentioned in the tcrf pages not much of the actual content is gone over.


Yeah, I've done some things, but Gilgamesh's user page has a lot more. I also have rips for the music tracks in case you want to start working on the article. Honestly, just on the wiki, I've been going through hundreds of games this year alone. I'm kind of saddened by the fact I'm pretty much the only big editor on the SFA pages, considering I haven't done a thorough dig through the game's content yet.
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Posted on 05-24-17 08:53:03 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by gilgamesh
I accidentally found an AR code to access Ancient Well (beta). There are many differences.

Leave your comments and finds on this place. A helping hand to discover other things would not be refusal.


awesome!

Did you miss-type that? I'm a little confused with "A helping hand to discover other things would not be refusal."
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Posted on 05-25-17 02:34:01 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ihadtnowegtum

Did you miss-type that? I'm a little confused with "A helping hand to discover other things would not be refusal."


gilgamesh's English is little questionable sometimes. What he means is "I would greatly appreciate it if others helped me out finding out more things the kiosk demo normally locks the player out of doing." My theory is that Rare placed collision boxes to prevent the player from going to certain areas, as there was originally a timer going on as the player was progressing through the game.
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Posted on 05-25-17 03:17:36 AM Link | Quote
Makes sense. And I kinda figured that was what he meant.

It's a shame the game can't really be decompiled. All the amazing coding secrets one might learn about it. (or even just ugly hacks, but they'd still be neat) it's interesting Rare went to such lengths to stop sequence-breaking and such, though. Then again, they would know what the potential of game hackers is, considering their origins. I wonder if that timer was meant for anything special? We can say without doubt a lot of stuff was changed or removed in the final game. Wonder just how many mechanics no one but the devs knows anything about...

I'd love to help with the hacking stuff, but there's just NO way I can play that ROM right now. Also, I doubt I'd be very good at making the game do this stuff, anyways. I'd just crash it, with my luck.
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Posted on 05-25-17 06:10:57 PM Link | Quote
It's no big deal
and of course I will, thanks
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Posted on 05-27-17 02:36:13 PM Link | Quote
I really don't think anyone will bother with these "cheats"
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Posted on 05-27-17 06:15:38 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hugo_Peters
I really don't think anyone will bother with these "cheats"


You'd be surprised what stupid shit people will do/activate/use on video games.
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