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Rachel Mae Creature of Chaos Level: 141      Posts: 5382/5929 EXP: 33576439 For next: 543575 Since: 07-03-07 Pronouns: she/her From: Foxglen Since last post: 12 days Last activity: 7 hours |
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| Ehm Member Level: 49  Posts: 387/533 EXP: 843376 For next: 40507 Since: 06-13-09 From: Canada Since last post: 4.0 years Last activity: 4.0 years |
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| I'm not sure how common it is, but I think music would be a good addition. |
| Sanqui 2060    💛🤍💜🖤🦉 Level: 87  Posts: 1206/2066 EXP: 6305064 For next: 87710 Since: 12-20-09 Pronouns: any ✨ From: Czechia | Estonia Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 day |
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*Sanky flops. level 58 exp 1509728 exppct 26.0% numposts 1206
Prime example of what I do not want:
http://www.x-cult.org/games/36/Sonic_Battle/1190/Prototype_Screenshots/ Besides that, I'm definitely in support! ____________________ |
| einstein95 Member Level: 37 Posts: 24/318 EXP: 325772 For next: 12481 Since: 04-11-13 Since last post: 3.3 years Last activity: 3.3 years |
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| I've been thinking about this, (although I thought it could go on a separate wiki, like a sub-domain or something) and how about a rule that states that: "The pre-release material must appear in some sort of publication, whether digital or analogue (ie. magazine or press kit) and can be proven to appear in said medium. Exceptions can be given for trustworthy sources, such as former employees of said game development studio." Other than that, I think that it would be a great idea, and we could (finally) obsolete such chaotic dumping grounds such as this. EDIT: added exception to the rule |
| Dragonsbrethren Member Level: 14 Posts: 1/37 EXP: 12748 For next: 323 Since: 07-11-13 Since last post: 7.3 years Last activity: 6.6 years |
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| I've mentioned it on the wiki before but I'm really looking forward to this category being added. I definitely agree with a quality over quantity approach - we don't need to show every prerelease screenshot or video, just the best. I wouldn't mind having separate archive downloads with all of the materials, though. For example, I have like 130 unwatermarked GoldenEye screenshots presumably straight from Rare, but only a few things are shown which aren't present in the final game in some form. I think all of these screenshots have historic value, though, and I'd hate to see them drop off the web when the next GE/Rare fansite decides not to renew their hosting. I do think that if the only screenshot of a scrapped feature is a blurry, watermarked mess, it should be allowed anyway. Documenting the content is more important than looking pretty, and as long as the article is well written, having an ugly shot is better than not covering the content at all. (See the stage 4-5 shot in the CV Bloodlines article) Same goes for videos, I've got a prerelease Perfect Dark vid with a music track that later got reused in TimeSplitters: Future Perfect, but it's watermarked and kinda shaky since it was captured with a camera at a trade show. I definitely want that vid on the site because of the unused music and the fact that it shows the game very early in development. To my knowledge, it's the only video with this music, and it disappeared from the internet for a while until I got a copy of it from someone and rehosted it. |
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| Ehm Member Level: 49 Posts: 388/533 EXP: 843376 For next: 40507 Since: 06-13-09 From: Canada Since last post: 4.0 years Last activity: 4.0 years |
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Originally posted by einstein95 Although I agree with you that a proper source should be given, I don't think it should be limited to publications. For example: http://grantkirkhope.bandcamp.com/album/bk-betas |
Cuber456 Fuzzy Don't mind me. Just passing through. Level: 56  Posts: 249/776 EXP: 1317935 For next: 80241 Since: 02-19-12 From: Everywhere at once. Since last post: 4.2 years Last activity: 122 days |
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I can agree that we should accept quality over quantity. The wiki shouldn't be filled with pictures like this   If something for prereleased materials does get implemented, should there be a focus on the source of where prerelease materials come from? We could use it to try to filter down the amount of media by looking at the sources. For example, media X comes from an issue of Nintendo Power and can be verified ---> kept. Media Y comes from Billy's First Website and can't be verified ---> deleted. As far as how to define "media", I think the definition can at least include(but not limited to) images and videos. Originally posted by BMF54123I'm a bit flip flop with this idea. On one hand, it might be interesting to document prerelease materials for games that never made it to the store shelf. On the other hand, would the general population of users who visit TCRF care about such a thing and would such pages be visited enough? In order for people to get to those pages, they would have to either know the name of the unreleased game or go digging through a category page to find it. Chances are, for an unreleased game, most people probably haven't heard of the game to begin with and searching through a category page is not exactly fun but what the hell do I know. That's my 2 cents for the moment. Hopefully my opinions help in some way or another. ____________________ "Consider this a privilege. You have been chosen." |
| einstein95 Member Level: 37 Posts: 25/318 EXP: 325772 For next: 12481 Since: 04-11-13 Since last post: 3.3 years Last activity: 3.3 years |
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Originally posted by Cuber456 What about the population that just come to TCRF to browse around, stumbling across pages from other pages, leading to god-knows-what page and being amazed at what's still in the game. Kinda like tvtropes.org Originally posted by m64m True, I've added an amendment onto it about trustworthy sources (eg. former employees). |
| Lavacopter Level: 5 Posts: 3/4 EXP: 512 For next: 17 Since: 01-25-11 Since last post: 8.8 years Last activity: 8.3 years |
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Originally posted by Cuber456 A problem there for websites would be that the pre 1998 archives of the major gaming sites are incredibly spotty, for the OoT collection I did I had to go through many, many old sites to find all of the shots. Technically the only "proof" remaining of where they came from is the watermarks. I'm probably being too pedantic here, though. As far as quality goes though, I did some experiments with using magazine shots to fill in cropped shots and erase unsightly watermarks here: http://lavacopter.imgur.com/zelda/ I think it turned out pretty nice. I can understand if people would be leery of using edited images, however. Also it takes an awful lot of work to make it look any good. |
| Cuber456 Fuzzy Don't mind me. Just passing through. Level: 56 Posts: 250/776 EXP: 1317935 For next: 80241 Since: 02-19-12 From: Everywhere at once. Since last post: 4.2 years Last activity: 122 days |
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Originally posted by einstein95Fair enough. I was speaking personally I guess. For me, I don't usually browse for unused stuff in games I haven't played/seen. The reason is because I get more of a kick when I see unused materials for a game that I at least know about. To each their own though  .Originally posted by LavacopterI can understand the problems that would arise from trying to document the source for older prerelease material. However, I'm still not budging on my position for providing sources. Completely putting aside BMF54123's worries about images being blurry and/or watermarked, what I am worried about the most is someone with too much spare time who might fake prerelease materials. If we have the source of where the material came from we can confirm if it is real or not. BTW, good job getting rid of the water marks in those pictures. ____________________ "Consider this a privilege. You have been chosen." |
| Lavacopter Level: 5 Posts: 4/4 EXP: 512 For next: 17 Since: 01-25-11 Since last post: 8.8 years Last activity: 8.3 years |
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| Thanks Well, almost all them them could be sourced to some magazine or other. Requiring them to be scanned from them would be pretty yech, though. Howabout if they can be confirmed to be real from some source or another, they don't necessarily have to be from that source if it's shitty? |
| einstein95 Member Level: 37 Posts: 27/318 EXP: 325772 For next: 12481 Since: 04-11-13 Since last post: 3.3 years Last activity: 3.3 years |
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Originally posted by Lavacopter This seems like a good idea, with the shown image/video/whatever being cleared up for viewing, and the source image/media backed-up somewhere safe. ____________________ The more I type, the less gooder it sounds does. |
| Foxhack Member Annoying fuzzball Level: 54  Posts: 419/722 EXP: 1173453 For next: 60417 Since: 04-17-12 From: Mexicali, Mexico Since last post: 2.0 years Last activity: 1.8 years |
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| I'd be OK with this... but as a part of the wiki? I dunno. I think the site would just get cluttered up real fast. Maybe a separate site? ____________________  |
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| einstein95 Member Level: 37 Posts: 29/318 EXP: 325772 For next: 12481 Since: 04-11-13 Since last post: 3.3 years Last activity: 3.3 years |
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Originally posted by Xkitty Probably, but with less "beta, beta, beta, ...", a much cleaner layout, and less waiting until someone sees your comment for it to be added to the article. ____________________ The more I type, the less gooder it sounds does. |
| Sanqui 2060 💛🤍💜🖤🦉 Level: 87 Posts: 1208/2066 EXP: 6305064 For next: 87710 Since: 12-20-09 Pronouns: any ✨ From: Czechia | Estonia Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 day |
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*Sanky flops. level 58 exp 1516340 exppct 33.2% numposts 1208
I don't really see any issues with it being a part of the wiki. Sinte it goes on a separate namespace, it can't really clutter anything, and I assume quality control will be good as always, given we've always gotten good guitelines and the right admins to enforce them. "Creating" another site would just generate confusion and in general be pointless, and while Unseen64 is nice, I've always seen it as more of a news site than a.. well, wiki.
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Post #5063 · Sun 130811 055909
On the subject of new categories, I think it'd be nice to have a category for BIOSes and other programs that weren't games, but ran on game consoles, and for test ROMs and such programs that were never intended to be seen or used by the general public.____________________ |
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Originally posted by Lavacopter On one hand, I'd be wary of using edited images. On the other hand, that is a fantastic watermark cleanup job. I'd be for it, but only if there was some strict quality control in place. We can't get huge screenshots all the time; sometimes, on simply older games, they wouldn't exist due to the limitations of bandwidth from the era. But they must be, at least, clear and distinct. |
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