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Posted on 12-18-12 08:12:28 PM Link | Quote
Love how it don't seem to care what the hands do.

Are all fossil pokemon Rock-type before they were revived or due to being fossils.
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Posted on 12-18-12 09:30:50 PM Link | Quote
Voltorb isn't the worst generation 1 design. If your issue is "lazy", it's Electrode or Magneton/Dugtrio ("identical to its pre-evolution but with its colors inverted" or "open MS Paint Ctrl-C Ctrl-V Ctrl-V NEW EVO YAY"), while if it's "boring", look no further than Seaking (the amazing abnormally-realistic goldfish).

Considering Relicanth (which is a prehistoric Pokemon, but not revived from a fossil--surviving in isolated environments, just like the real life Coelacanth), I believe it's likely that prehistoric ones are generally rock-types.
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Posted on 12-18-12 10:37:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Skreeny
Voltorb isn't the worst generation 1 design. If your issue is "lazy", it's Electrode or Magneton/Dugtrio ("identical to its pre-evolution but with its colors inverted" or "open MS Paint Ctrl-C Ctrl-V Ctrl-V NEW EVO YAY"), while if it's "boring", look no further than Seaking (the amazing abnormally-realistic goldfish).


I actually don't have a problem with them myself, it's just that when people complain about the designs of newer generations, so many of the complaints apply to the classic 151 as well. "Just a bag of trash" -> "Just a puddle of sludge," etc.
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Posted on 12-18-12 11:55:45 PM Link | Quote
What if I say then that I prefer the opposite? I like the shitty designs and simple evolutionary designs, and that the newer, more complicated and arguably "better" designs and evolutions don't appeal to me as much, as well as don't fit in the original style of Pokémon.

Does this make cause my 3rd and 4th eyes to be nostalgic only?

PS: I do like some of the newer designed Pokémon, but as a whole, Generation I was my favorite designs, especially art-wise.
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Posted on 12-21-12 12:57:22 PM Link | Quote
The Timeline of pokemon designs:
Gen 1: FTW
Gen 2:FTW
Gen 3:Lolwut?
Gen 4:You're kidding.
Gen 5: Let's go play zelda or mario.
Just shows how lazy and uncreative they're getting I miss the days when Pokemon was new and a fad, character designs were better, and the show nowadays is crap compared to the old episodes
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Posted on 12-21-12 01:46:25 PM Link | Quote
Your opinion on what generator you like does in fact not show anything regarding lazynes or uncreativity. If you're to make such claims then back it up with some god darn arguments.
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Posted on 12-21-12 01:50:10 PM (last edited by ReiNi at 12-21-12 02:43:29 PM) Link | Quote
Why do people keep saying "lazy" for things they don't like?

I don't get that. I would understand if people said "overdesigned", even though that's not quite true.
Still, definitely later designs are more specific, which might be better or worse to your tastes... Obviously, I have a prefferance for specific designs that take from obscure things to make their own thing. But hey, if you don't, I'm fine with that.

But "lazy" seems almost contradictory. Specially since most Gen I pokémon are "general animal with X". Rock Rhyno, Fire Horse... As opposed to "this one specific species of horse that does this one thing with its feet" or whatever.

Heck even comparing it to Gen II:



But I digress. I do like many Gen I designs, and simple isn't neccessarialy bad. For instance, the Dratini line will always be of my favorites and they are pretty simple but great designs.

But don't say they've gotten objectively worse, or that they are lazier and uncreative when it's pretty much the opposite. You just dislike they being specific and perhaps having more off the wall designs, but they have increasingly more work put on them.
Also it's literally losing interest on a franchise. Specially on one that tries to mantain a generally constant image, you can grow out of it when the things children like aren't what you like anymore.


In the end, the franchise is all about having many creatures and fans liking a bunch of those creatures. So variety is a great thing.
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Posted on 12-24-12 04:38:38 AM Link | Quote
People who complain about the new designs and what not obviously either don't know the backstory behind the design itself or are failing to see how it fits contextually in to the environment of the Pokemon world. The fact is, they are only just now fully embracing the possibilities of having as many Pokemon as they do--it allows for much for fleshed out and "realistic" environments, as well as for more unique Pokemon distribution and interesting areas. Of course, in the case of BW2 this can also be somewhat overwhelming at times due to the sheer volume of Pokemon available.

Anyone that argues oh, they just made another dog/cat/whatever Pokemon needs to realize that most of these designs come with a new generation, thus a new environment and most places in the world don't only have one type of animal a lot of the designs are rather clever if not only for how they fit contextually in to the game, but also just in where many of them come from. They put a lot more thought in to most of the designs than you think, even if you can argue against things like Vanillish or the like. That one may be a little silly, yet I never hear anyone complain about Farfetch'd--statistically one of the most useless and, by extension, pointless (in terms of game play) Pokemon yet created--and he came from your beloved generation 1 OH NO
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Posted on 12-24-12 02:57:39 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Keitaro
People who complain about the new designs and what not obviously either don't know the backstory behind the design itself or are failing to see how it fits contextually in to the environment of the Pokemon world. The fact is, they are only just now fully embracing the possibilities of having as many Pokemon as they do--it allows for much for fleshed out and "realistic" environments, as well as for more unique Pokemon distribution and interesting areas. Of course, in the case of BW2 this can also be somewhat overwhelming at times due to the sheer volume of Pokemon available.

Anyone that argues oh, they just made another dog/cat/whatever Pokemon needs to realize that most of these designs come with a new generation, thus a new environment and most places in the world don't only have one type of animal a lot of the designs are rather clever if not only for how they fit contextually in to the game, but also just in where many of them come from. They put a lot more thought in to most of the designs than you think, even if you can argue against things like Vanillish or the like. That one may be a little silly, yet I never hear anyone complain about Farfetch'd--statistically one of the most useless and, by extension, pointless (in terms of game play) Pokemon yet created--and he came from your beloved generation 1 OH NO


Reminds me of this comic http://www.rarecandytreatment.com/comics/1591084/sweet-nature/#cpage
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Posted on 01-07-13 09:56:21 PM Link | Quote
http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/Nintendo-Direct/Latest-Nintendo-Direct/Nintendo-Direct-698557.html

So, Pokemon Direct tomorrow morning.
11AM GMT, 6AM EST.

Serebii.net says it's a 10 minute broadcast?

Two major rumors are flying around that a new game for 3DS is coming.
This seems to be the more reputable of the two rumors. http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=46058718&postcount=509

I guess we'll know for sure tomorrow.
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Posted on 01-07-13 10:01:09 PM Link | Quote
A new 3DS pokemon is not a matter of if, simply a matter of when

I'd be nice if they did a console version pokemon in the vein of Colosseum or XD again, though.
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Posted on 01-07-13 10:06:21 PM Link | Quote
There are rumors of a Wii U Pokemon App, but I don't think there were any further details. Another Colosseum/XD would be cool, especially to show off the 3DS<->Wii U connectivity.
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Posted on 01-07-13 10:24:09 PM (last edited by ReiNi at 01-08-13 11:35:19 AM) Link | Quote
That post lost all credibility at "games in full 3D" and "character customization", and went downhill with the new type thing and all the rest of the typical fan-wanted stuff.

Not to mention "I work at the company in a very trivial and obscure role have all these secrets of the game!"


As for the announcement, they usually hype a new generation by showing a silhouette or something, advertising it.
Revealing it on the internet, specially revealing the games altogether (instead of hyping them), is not good for them when they can exploit an increased interest for months.

Not to mention this is an international announcement that happens everywhere simultaneously. I have no idea what it could be, but it definitely isn't a "main" game.

I don't think it's even a game, games aren't announced like that.


But eh, whatever they say it'll be in less than eight hours.

welp, nevermind :V :V :V :V (the NeoGAF post is still wrong, though)
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Posted on 01-07-13 10:27:46 PM Link | Quote
Good points. I haven't paid attention to any past game announcements.

I can't tell if it's weird or not that Iwata's doing this.
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Posted on 01-07-13 11:10:42 PM Link | Quote
Serebii has always been quite credible though.

As much as the 'fan community' derides him for inaccurate mechanics posts, he always seems to have accurate information about releases/announcements and the like.
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Posted on 01-08-13 05:45:45 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xenesis
Serebii has always been quite credible though.

As much as the 'fan community' derides him for inaccurate mechanics posts, he always seems to have accurate information about releases/announcements and the like.
If this was not a message board I would insert a laughing reaction image here.

As far as I am concerned Serebii have been anything but credible as they have several times printed rumours and speculations as true facts.
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Posted on 01-08-13 11:34:46 AM (last edited by ReiNi at 01-08-13 11:36:08 AM) Link | Quote
... It was Gen VI after all!

With the names of Pokémon X and Y. But oh well. They've never done an announcement like this (or rather, not for the last two generations), so of course I was expectical.


However, they are using Cel-shaded graphics! I have to say that ever since I saw Battrio, I always thought Cel-shading was something that would work REALLY well with pokémon.

here is a bunch of screenshots

The deer and bird-snake legendaries make me think of Pokémon Diamond and Jade of all things. And the starters... eh. The only pokémon I can say I like is Fennekin.
There are many old pokémon being shown though, Dratini, Kirlia, Golurk, etc.


The games release everywhere at once on October.

I knew I shouldn't have gotten Black 2... I play too slowly :V
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Posted on 01-08-13 11:40:18 AM Link | Quote
I'm kind of concerned. Usually, all previous Pokemon are in the latest games (albeit between both versions). Iwata said that "you will be able to find some of your favourite Pokemon in Pokemon X and Y."

.........
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Posted on 01-08-13 11:50:00 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by m64m
I'm kind of concerned. Usually, all previous Pokemon are in the latest games (albeit between both versions). Iwata said that "you will be able to find some of your favourite Pokemon in Pokemon X and Y."

.........


I guess you can't catch them all, it would fill too much game space with too many pokemon from previous gens.
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Posted on 01-08-13 11:50:08 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by m64m
I'm kind of concerned. Usually, all previous Pokemon are in the latest games (albeit between both versions). Iwata said that "you will be able to find some of your favourite Pokemon in Pokemon X and Y."

.........

Eh? There were no previous pokémon in Black and White. And... you never find all of them in any game.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't mean that you won't be able to transfer them or something, he means some (though from what it looks like, I'm saying many) the older pokémon will be found in-game, unlike for Black and White.

I'm guessing we'll also see expanded evolutonary lines because of this...
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