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Posted on 05-08-11 02:21:09 PM Link | Quote
I've run the PC MK2 in DOSbox before so there's always that option.
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Posted on 05-11-11 11:28:42 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, DOSBox seems to work fine much of the time for me with stuff.

Also, BMF and I deduced that the "Extra Track" in the Genesis MK1 is merely a glitch. It's just the Throne Room music played too slow for a loop, then it goes back to normal. Shoot, I thought I was onto something. Oh well.
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Posted on 05-12-11 04:58:46 AM Link | Quote
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get it to run in DOSBox, yet. It (mk2.exe) starts to run (or at least the DOS4GW stub does), then quits, claiming it can't find the CD drive... even though I did mount it.

...maybe I should try running it from the Windows version of DOSBox, already installed on the same system. The tower didn't like it when I tried running with the DOS drive as the main (and only) drive, either.

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Posted on 05-12-11 02:29:58 PM Link | Quote
Check your PM's Aoi I sent you a link of interest relating to MK2 DOSbox.
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Posted on 05-12-11 08:56:58 PM (last edited by Aoi at 05-12-11 08:58 PM) Link | Quote
Okay, I'll take a look when I finish checking the posts.

I managed to get it working, though, on Win98 (booted to DOS-only mode). I realized I'd put a REM on the line in autoexec.bat that runs MSCDEX some time ago; with MSCDEX running, the game loads and runs. I didn't have any sound, though, because there's no sound card setup lines in autoexec or config.sys, including the SET BLASTER= line. And, no gamepad support (did anyone ever have a workaround for those games that only look for gamepads/joysticks on the older sound cards' gameport/MIDI interface ports, when you're trying to run them on a newer system that doesn't have that port (integrated sound, bleah) and only has USB ports?).
Now that I've removed that REM, it'll probably load in 'normal' Win98, too.

But, it didn't have that AP manual check, at any time. I couldn't say whether or not there is a version of MK2/PC out there that does use it, however.

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Posted on 05-16-11 11:58:30 AM Link | Quote
Forgot all about this video I posted of the UMK3 Juggernaut hack, which has H Smoke and Noob Saibot playable on the select screen. He also inserted Noob and Smoke's Trilogy endings, as well as made it so the bios screens for all characters are available rather than just the 4 new UMK3 characters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpJ-yRQHqcE&lc
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Posted on 06-22-11 03:23:18 AM Link | Quote
Here's some thread necromancy with CONTENT.

I was playing Mortal Kombat Trilogy the other day and got hold of a move list and their are several moves that have been cut from previous games (besides the one we already mentioned) that made it intro Trilogy.

Baraka:

Blade Spin - Probably cut because it gives him huge range and would have more juggle potential
than MK2 used.

Goro:

Twirl Spin - Likely had to have been an unused MK1 attack since MKT uses the original Goro sprites
unaltered. Probably would have made him harder than he already was, and was cut.

Jax:

Double Energy Wave - Does a good deal of damage, and was probably cut for that reason.

MK1 Kano:

Has a blade spin attack that was too powerful in MK1 and thus cut. What is it with these guys and cutting spin moves?

MK2 Kung Lao:

Has Raiden's superman move. Probably cut because it was repetitive.

Liu Kang:

Has a red bicycle kick. Looks very similar to Johnny Cage's red specials.

Motaro:

Now has an over the back toss. This could be new to trilogy as they most likely still had the Motaro model handy. Doubtful though considering the only real work they put in MKT was recording a new Johnny Cage, and giving some very heavily un play-tested moves to Noob and Rain.

Shao Kahn:

Now has a pick up and smack attack. Most likely unused from UMK3 and the like under the same logic as Motaro's throw.

Nightwolf:

Again another red version of a move, his shoulder dash.

Rayden:

Has a lightening attack that goes in reverse. Probably too hard to dodge in the MK2 engine and was cut.

Scorpion:

Has a forward teleport punch. Probably removed for balancing reasons.

Sektor:

Has a double missile shot . The damage on this thing adds up very very quickly, so its pretty obvious why this was left out of MK3 and UMK3.

Sindel:

Has a double fireball. Probably cut from the vanilla 3's for the same reason as Sektor.

Stryker:

Has high and low double grenade attacks. Yet another double. This thing is nearly impossible to avoid, and since he can do it high or low it makes it especially deadly. This move does give you a very long recovery time however. Probably the longest of any move in the game.

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Posted on 06-22-11 11:18:55 AM Link | Quote
I have to say, I don't even think that Motaro and Shao Khan's moves go used in the N64 version! Even then, I don't really know how to go about doing them.

I do remember them saying something about Baraka's blade spin move going unused, and that was totally a right call.

I remember also Kung Lao's and Goro's "new" attacks look completely bizarre and uncharacteristic of those guys, so I also see why they were cut anyway.
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Posted on 06-22-11 01:06:21 PM Link | Quote
The N64 version didn't have all the extra room afforded by a disk so they had to cut some characters/moves. The bosses in the 64 version do have fatalities but they were very quickly thrown together, and were likely not cut from another game.
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Posted on 06-22-11 02:00:53 PM Link | Quote
No they weren't, they pretty much just re-used what they had for sprites for fatalities. I did sorta forget about MKT for N64 having less info.

If someone could still crack the image compression code for the Mortal Kombat arcade games, we would seriously be in business. It's like...I'd love to actually do it instead of making wishes or requests, but I literally have no idea where to begin in that.
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Posted on 06-22-11 11:10:42 PM Link | Quote
Have you tried unzipping the romset and opening some of the roms in tile molester? I just opened it up and looked through them in Winrar. Unfortunately there's not one labeled something like GRAPHIC.bin or anything. It'd be annoying but its possible you could just open them in TM until you find something, but if they are compressed its like you said gonna be hard.
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Posted on 07-18-11 08:41:15 PM (last edited by Phugolz at 07-18-11 08:41 PM) Link | Quote
I used to tamper with the MK series quite a bit. Here's my junk.

Mortal Kombat Hacking notes: Mortal Kombat for the Sega Genesis
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MOVE MODIFIERS

Universal
-----------------------------------
00BB18:00??
Throw damage

Johnny Cage
-----------------------------------
01153E:??07
Johnny Cage's Shadow Kick
011562:??04
Johnny Cage's Split Punch
011598:??06
Johnny Cage's Fireball
0115BC:??06
Johnny Cage's Flying Punch
0115CE:??0A
Johnny Cage's Roundhouse Kick
0115E0:??05
Johnny Cage's High Kick
0115F2:??04
Johnny Cage's Low Kick
011604:??01
Johnny Cage's High Punch
011616:??01
Johnny Cage's Low Punch
011628:??05
Johnny Cage's Foot Sweep
01163A:??02
Johnny Cage's Crouched Kick
01164C:??05
Johnny Cage's Head Blow
01165E:??04
Johnny Cage's Knee
011670:??0A
Johnny Cage's Uppercut
011682:??05
Johnny Cage's Jump Kick

KANO
-----------------------------------
0116EC:??07
Kano's Cannonball
011722:??06
Kano's Knife
011734:??0A
Kano's Roundhouse Kick
011746:??01
Kano's High Punch
011758:??01
Kano's Low Punch
01176A:??04
Kano's Knee
01177C:??06
Kano's Head Blow
01178E:??05
Kano's Jump Kick
0117A0:??05
Kano's Foot Sweep
0117B2:??0A
Kano's Uppercut
0117C4:??05
Kano's Crouched Kick
0117D6:??05
Kano's High Kick
0117E8:??05
Kano's Low Kick
01180C:??06
Kano's Flying Punch
011876:??07

RAYDEN
-----------------------------------
Rayden's Flying Thunderbolt
0118AC:??06
Rayden's Lightning
0118D0:??06
Rayden's Flying Punch
0118E2:??0A
Rayden's Roundhouse Kick
0118F4:??05
Rayden's High Kick
011906:??05
Rayden's Low Kick
011918:??01
Rayden's High Punch
01193C:??01
Rayden's Low Punch
01194E:??05
Rayden's Foot Sweep
011960:??02
Rayden's Crouched Kick
011972:??05
Rayden's Head Blow
011984:??04
Rayden's Knee
011996:??0A
Rayden's Uppercut
0119A8:??05
Rayden's Jump Kick

liu kang
-----------------------------------
011A3A:??07
Liu Kang's Special Jump Kick
011A4C:??05
Liu Kang's Head Blow
011A70:??06
Liu Kang's Fireball
011A82:??0A
Liu Kang's Roundhouse Kick
011AA6:??01
Liu Kang's Low Punch
011AB8:??04
Liu Kang's Knee
011ACA:??05
Liu Kang's Jump Kick
011ADC:??05
Liu Kang's Foot Sweep
011AEE:??0A
Liu Kang's Uppercut
011B00:??05
Liu Kang's Crouched Kick
011B12:??05
Liu Kang's High Kick
011B24:??05
Liu Kang's Low Kick
011B48:??06
Liu Kang's Flying Punch

Scorpion, Sub-Zro, Reptile
-----------------------------------
011BBE:??03
Sub-Zero's Slide
011BD0:??06
Scorpion's Scorpion Split
011BE2:??02
Scorpion's Harpoon
011C18:2800

Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Uppercut
011C3C:??01
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's High Punch
011C4E:??01
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Low Punch
011C60:??04
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Knee
011C72:??05
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Head Blow
011C96:??06
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Flying Punch
011CA8:??05
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Jump Kick
011CBA:??05
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's High Kick
011CCC:??05
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Low Kick
011D02:??02
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Crouched Kick
011CF0:??0A
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Roundhouse Kick
011CDE:??05
Scorpion's, Sub-Zero's and Reptile's Foot Sweep

Sub-Zero's Deep Freeze does damage
011C2A:??0A

Sonya Blade
-----------------------------------
0113B0:??06
Sonya Blade's Sonic Rings
0113D4:??05
Sonya Blade's Foot Sweep
0113E6:??0A
Sonya Blade's Roundhouse Kick
01141C:??05
Sonya Blade's Head Blow
01140A:??06
Sonya Blade's Low Kick
0113F8:??05
Sonya Blade's High Kick
01142E:??04
Sonya Blade's Knee
011440:??05
Sonya Blade's Jump Kick
011452:??05
Sonya Blade's Crouched Kick
011464:??01
Sonya Blade's High Punch
011476:??01
Sonya Blade's Low Punch
011488:??0A
Sonya Blade's Uppercut
0114AC:??06
Sonya Blade's Flying Punch
0114BE:??08
Sonya Blade's Special Jump Kick

MATCH MODIFIERS

Allways figh the same person
-----------------------------------
00B1A0:4E71
00B1A2:7E??
011144:70??

00 Johnny Cage
01 fight Kano
02 fight Rayden
03 Liu Kang
04 Scorpion
05 Sub- Zero
06 Sonya Blade
07 Goro



Level to load after first fight
-----------------------------------
0111F2:70??
01 PALACE GATES
02 Warrior Shrine
03 the Pit
04 Throne Room
05 Goro's Lair
06 Courtyard

Starting Match
-----------------------------------
013ED8:00??
01 match 1
02 match 2
03 match 3
04 match 4
05 match 5
06 match 6
07 mirror match
08 endurance 1 match
09 endurance 2 match
0A endurance 3 match
0B Goro
0C Shang Tsung

OTHER GAME RELATED MODIFIERS
-----------------------------------
005C80:00??
Round timer
(005CAC:6002 Will deactivate the timer)
006618:6002
Will activate the flawless victory switch no matter if you did or not
01592C:0000
Turn the blood on

OTHER GAME GENIE STUFF TO DECYPHER
----------------------------------

AKXA-AA22 Always get Flawless Victory bonus
AC7T-AAA2 Throws do no damage
AC7T-A6A2 Throws take away all energy
BBCA-AA26 Turn people into midgets
BBCA-AA28 People fight in frozen stance
9VDT-AE9Y Players are invisible
AC9A-AAG2 Sweep,high & low kicks are replaced by knee
4WXA-AC32 Select Sub-Zero as your fighter. To switch to a new fighter do Sub's
slide (back+low+high kick)
CCXA-AC32 Turn Sub-Zero black when he does his slide. Turn back to normal if
thrown or frozen.
BBCA-AA24 Fighters bodies (except heads) are invisible

Mortal Kombat Hacking notes: Mortal Kombat 2 for the Sega Genesis
---------------------------------------------------------------------------



00219C: stuff dealing with the debug test menu. (4E71 to activate all debug/cheat menus)
00639A: timer stuff
00649E: deals with disabling the fatalties in the first round
(4E71 to activate fatalities in the first round)
00661A: timer stuff for fatalities
0068AC: timer speed
007EAE: Computer AI stuff
0097BC: 2ND PLAYER CHRACTER MODIFIER.
(Changing this will cause strange effects. If a hidden chracter/boss is used,
the game WILL crash when they attempt to do something like punch or jump.)
016F46: deals with computer finishing moves
013F28: deals with AI fatalities
013F30: deals with AI friendships
013F36: deals with AI babalities

Projectile damage
-----------------
00ECDC: Reptile's Force Ball
00EF28: Rayden's Lightning Bolt
00F0CE: Shang Tsung's Flaming Skull
00F25C: Kitana's Fan Throw
00F26E: Mileena's Sai Throw
00F4C6: Baraka's Blade Spark
00F662: Cage's Shadow Kick
00F85C: Liu Kang's High Fireball
00F902: Kung Lao's Hat Throw


Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 for the Sega Genesis
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000524 - blockout screen TEXT (Used if game software is run on a foreign system)
00D480 - Pointer for "SELECT YOUR FIGHTER" text
00DE9C - art selection FOR THE CHRACTER SELECT SCREEN, hopefully
00DF68 - where to display the cursor when a character is selected.
00DFC8 - Chracter to display/choose
00 - KANO
01 - SONYA
02 - JAX
03 - NIGHTWOLF
04 - SUB-ZERO
05 - STRYKER
06 - SINDEL
07 - SEKTOR
08 - CYRAX
09 - KUNG LAO
0A - KABAL
0B - SHEEVA
0C - SHANG TSUNG
0D - LIU KANG
0E - SMOKE
0F - KITANA
10 - JADE
11 - MILEENA
12 - SCORPION
13 - REPTILE
14 - ERMAC
15 - classic sub
16 - human smoke
17 - noob
18 - rain?
19 - scorpion
1A - shao kahn
1c - again

00E014 - construction for selection menu
00E018 - where to place the cursor when pressing right
00E030 - where to place the cursor when pressing LEFT
00E048 - where to place the cursor when pressing UP
00E060 - where to place the cursor when pressing down
00E0EC - UNKNOWN POINTERS
052466 - POINTERS FOR NAME DISPLAYED ON HEALTH BAR
0524D6 - start area for name bar
054F80 - POINTERS FOR NAME DISPLAYED IN VICTORY
054FF0 - start name list for victory
057174 - GAME VICTORY TEXT
0577FE - UNKNOWN POINTERS
057804 - UNKNOWN POINTERS
057876 - UNKNOWN POINTERS
0578AA - MENU SELECTIION?
057E12 - POINTERS FOR KOMBAT ZONE
057E62 - KOMBAT ZONE MENU
05915A - CHARACTER BIOS HEADERS
0592D8 - CHARACTER BIOS
059CAC - CHARACTER ENDINGS
05c3e4 - choose your destiny text
05CC3C - LEGAL DISCLAIMER
05ce5c - midway presents text
05CE78 - THERE IS NO KNOWLEDGE THAT IS NOT POWER TEXT
05D6EA - MAIN MENU text
05D834 - debug menu text? - code ADALARCUL
(NEVER SEEN THIS CODE OR THIS TEXT, COULD POSSIBLY BE FROM A DEBUG MENU?)
05DEAE - OPTIONS TEXT
05E9BE - BUTTON CONFIG TEXT
060e84 - pointer to prizes TEXT
061D98 - PRIZE MENU TEXT
06654c - GALAGA TEXT
067E86 - WEIRD MESSAGE (DON'T UNDERSTAND THUS AT ALL, BUT IT REFERS TO KITANA'S FATHER)
06842A - storyline
068534 - STORYLINE 2
068A07 - SONYA\JAX\KANO STORY
068B0B - SUBZERO STORY
068BBF - LIU KANG STORY
068CF1 - GAME OVER TEXT

PALLETTE (Each palette, is 16 bytes down (Add 2 to the 'tens' digit. 00000x0))
-----------------------------------------------
16E540 - Nightwolf
16E560 - Nightwolf 2P
16E580 - Nightwolf - Sub Zero Frozen
16E5A0 - Nightwolf - Shang Tsung Possessed
16E5C0 - Nightwolf 2P - Shang Tsung Possessed
16E700 - POINTER FOR NIGHTWOLF PALLETTE
-----------------------------------------------
MISSING PALLETTE INFO
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3469E8 - SCORPIONS PALLETTE
346A08 - Scorpion 2P
346A28 - Reptile
346A48 - Reptile 2P
346A68 - Ermac
346A88 - Ermac 2P
346AA8 - Sub-Zero
346AC8 - Sub-Zero 2P
346AE8 - HUMAN Smoke
346B08 - HUMAN Smoke 2P
346B28 - Raine
346B48 - Raine 2P
346B68 - Noob Saibot - (Blank Character)
346B88 - (Ninjas) - Sub Zero Frozen
346BA8 - Scorpion - Shang Tsung Possessed
346BC8 - Scorpion 2P - Shang Tsung Possessed
346BE8 - Reptile - Shang Tsung Possessed
346C08 - Reptile 2P - Shang Tsung Possessed
346C28 - (Ninjas 2) - Sub Zero Frozen
346C48 - Ermac - Shang Tsung Possessed
346C68 - Ermac 2P - Shang Tsung Possessed
346C88 - Greens
346CA8 - reds
346CC8 - Sub Zero - Shang Tsung Possessed
346CE8 - HUMAN Smoke - Shang Tsung Possessed
346D08 - Noob Saibot - Shang Tsung Possessed
346D28 - Rain - Shang Tsung Possessed
346D48 - green
346D68 - red
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END PALLETTES






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Posted on 07-18-11 10:13:30 PM Link | Quote
Very nice info there. All of my MK hacking experience is with the arcade version, and admittedly isn't much because it crashes so easily.
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Posted on 07-20-11 03:16:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Torentsu
Very nice info there. All of my MK hacking experience is with the arcade version, and admittedly isn't much because it crashes so easily.



Yeah, I know that routine well. I worked with all three, and the most I was able to do was hack bosses/secret characters into the character select screen. But they would crash when selected or crash once you tried executing a move
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Posted on 10-23-11 04:02:23 PM Link | Quote
Here's some MK1 info. I just messed around with playing as Shang Tsung and here's what you can do:

Move forward or backward (but don't double tap!)
By holding down you can transform into a glitchy liu kang!
While transformed most of the attack buttons will actually allow you to damage your opponent!

Unfortunately you have to activate this code after a match is loading or it will freeze for some reason, this would make using him against the CPU unpractical, not to mention there's probably no way you'd be able to hit them with his glitchy attacks. Also if you try to use him against the CPU his giant opponent block from the Battle Plan shows up next to your opponent. It looks quite odd, but its something to mention.
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Posted on 01-08-13 01:23:45 PM Link | Quote
Oh so hey, this got a link to on the wiki, but I think it deserves a lot of mention right now.

Somebody managed to figure out how to dig into the graphics of MK1 and MK2.

It's spread out over a couple of pages. If I get some time later I'll add in the highlight things of note. I tried sending this guy a PM since I've had an account over on that site since back in the days when it was mk5.org, but I have yet to hear back from him (mostly because I just sent the PM today).

If he knows how to dig through the graphics, then this ought to get really, really interesting, if these pieces are any indication.
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Posted on 01-08-13 04:00:14 PM Link | Quote
Amazing stuff so far. We need to get this sprite and the others on the wiki stat!

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Posted on 01-08-13 05:55:25 PM (last edited by GoldS at 01-08-13 05:56:29 PM) Link | Quote
Hot damn! The unused Shang Tsung / Goro fatalities from MK1 were the main reasons why I wanted to crack open the game's graphics banks in the first place. Also, confirmation that most of the new stuff in MKT was just dummied out from the original games.
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Posted on 01-09-13 04:37:27 PM (last edited by Torentsu at 01-09-13 04:38:29 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by GoldS
Hot damn! The unused Shang Tsung / Goro fatalities from MK1 were the main reasons why I wanted to crack open the game's graphics banks in the first place. Also, confirmation that most of the new stuff in MKT was just dummied out from the original games.


Midway was extremely lazy when they made the MKT ports so its no surprise at all that they resued this stuff. I'd also like to guess that the reason that unused Goro defeated stance was cut is because you can obviously tell he's claymation as his knees have no bend.

Also while I'm thinking about it did we mention already that the wasteland level had a crucified Shokan in the background that was cut out?
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Posted on 01-28-13 09:33:32 AM Link | Quote
I added this stuff to the wiki but the MK2 SNES boss moves were removed. I guess they don't qualify as unused playable characters if doing anything crashes the game.
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