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Posted on 01-25-11 03:33:47 AM Link | Quote
I think this goes here, but if not, could someone tell me otherwise? Thanks.

SO. I have noticed a few other people besides me me seem to read Homestuck, and after the most recent bombshells, of which there have been a-plenty, I was wondering what you guys think is going to happen next?
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Posted on 01-25-11 04:40:34 AM Link | Quote
My thoughts?

Spoiler:
Karkat is royally fucked. HONK!
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Posted on 01-25-11 01:30:08 PM (last edited by Zero One at 01-25-11 01:30 PM) Link | Quote
Either none of the
Spoiler:
bodies behind him are going to rise
or ALL of them are. Either way, he's screwed at some point!
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Posted on 01-25-11 02:45:22 PM Link | Quote
Here is what I think is going to happen.
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Karkat is going to end up fighting Gamgee after he manages to kill all the remaining trolls, and barely pulling a win out of it. After thinking he has defeated Gamgee, he turns his back on him, and Gangee uses up his last HONK and kills him, thus ending the troll race.
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Posted on 01-25-11 05:43:37 PM Link | Quote
Homestuck sucks now because instead of following a silly storyline LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO, it introduced new characters that made people like them for shipping purposes and the totally serious tone the entire story took upon itself instead. I mean, really? Killing 13 year old crippled kids off!? This was supposed to be a comedy!
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Posted on 01-25-11 09:58:06 PM Link | Quote
it's basically inception in webcomic form. no matter how hard you try to avoid it just keeps going deeper.

H O M E S T U C K
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Posted on 01-26-11 03:01:56 AM Link | Quote
Well, we know what Gamzee is now.

Spoiler:
Bard of Rage. Also, bodes poorly for the Black King. Jesus Christ, Gamzee.
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Posted on 01-26-11 03:04:54 AM Link | Quote
I have to say.

I much prefer Problem Sleuth to Homestuck now. Homestuck was cool to a point, and then, the trolls showed up...

And once it focused on them, really, I just stopped reading. :/
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Posted on 01-26-11 04:45:58 AM Link | Quote
That is a problem; it has lost a lot of it's humor, which is very apparent when you read the first strips.
However, what it has turned into is rather epic, and I enjoy it immensely. If I want to read a funny webcomic, there are plenty out there, and I do in fact read many of them. Homestuck is different though, and it has had some of the most epic moments in any media I have ever seen, and I enjoy it immensely.

That being said, when it ends, I hope MSPaintAdventures goes back to a funny style.
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Posted on 01-26-11 09:28:17 AM Link | Quote
I really enjoyed Problem Sleuth. I can't really follow Homestuck. I just have a VERY vague idea of what is going on, and I can't be bothered to go back to the beginning and refresh my memory.
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Posted on 01-26-11 10:46:32 AM (last edited by Gabu at 01-26-11 10:50 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by cpubasic13
Homestuck sucks now because instead of following a silly storyline LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO, it introduced new characters that made people like them for shipping purposes and the totally serious tone the entire story took upon itself instead. I mean, really? Killing 13 year old crippled kids off!? This was supposed to be a comedy!




How is this expression not amazing (in an ironic way)?

Also, the trolls are a part of the story, and in order for us to understand what is going on with the kids, we need to know exactly what happened to the trolls.

Hell, I hate the Intermission, but at least I can say that the events in there have some bearing in helping to understand exactly what the hell is going on in that front.

Plus, being the innocent Taurus I am, I believe the dead trolls will come back, either in some sort of mIrAcLe, or because Death will pop up again and prove to be totally incompetent still (at least in the game universe, of which the trolls are now at a stagnant post-game type).

Also:


CCG: NEXT TIME I SEE THAT SHITTY COLOR YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT'LL BE COMING OUT OF YOUR BODY.
CCG: AND NO, FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK, THAT WAS NOT INNUENDO.


Andrew has read queer /co/ and/or MSPAchan.
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Posted on 01-27-11 12:13:21 PM Link | Quote
Copy-pasted from my LiveJournal, because I think it sums my feelings up well.

Am I unhappy with recent events in Homestuck? Yes, I definitely am.

Are there some unfortunate implications in the comic recently? Yes.

Am I going to keep reading till the end? Yes, because I'm still pretty engrossed in it, and I want to see how it ends.

Do I think most of the fanbase is behaving in a pretty stupid manner at the moment, regardless of how they feel about what's been going on? Hell fucking yes.

If anything my main problem with the updates is what they seem to be bringing out in the fandom. For fuck's sake, it used to be such a nice fandom! Now everyone's bitching and moaning and turning on each other.

No, I do not think that Hussie advocates violence against women, LGBT persons, or the disabled. (Frankly, if you're still all gaga over Vriska and Eridan--especially Vriska, since she actually had a fan following--after what they've done and still think they're "omfg so awesome", I kind of wonder about you.) On the other hand, I am also not happy with the way some of this has been handled; however, I think it's more due to carelessness than to malice.

(For the record, though, there is one thing in Homestuck that bugs the crap out of me, and that's Equius' treatment of Aradia and Nepeta, particularly early on. Not cool. I do not understand Equius fans, and I understand EquiusxAradia shippers even less. But a lot of that, I think, is due to how the fandom kept creaming themselves over Equius, and due to my own experiences with creepy stalkery types. Again, I don't think Hussie's trying to say that date rape is romantic or whatever, but it definitely could've been played a lot better. Same goes for Equius being all overprotective and controlling of Nepeta.)

TL;DR: Yes, Homestuck has its problems. No, I am not going to stop reading it daily. (Also, the fanbase is slowly turning into more and more of a Fan Dumb than anything else.)

THE END
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Posted on 01-27-11 02:23:42 PM Link | Quote
Wait. There are people who think Hussie advocates violence towards disabled people, women, and LGBT people? The acts of violence towards them was clearly evil, and the characters who hurt their friends have very rarely ever been shown in a good light! They are villains; they do things that go against the morality of the creator!

And the whole Equius thing: that was supposed to be really weird. When they ended up together at the end of that little scene, I think we were supposed to be really confused for a minute. The we learned that the trolls have 4 different kinds of love, which is rather odd, and what they had was the most poisonous type, with them hating each other, then boinking the going back to hating each other. (I think. I may need to review that whole mess again.) Yeah, it is weird. But I do not think he meant any harm from it. And that is my two cents.
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Posted on 01-27-11 06:50:00 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Arp1033
Wait. There are people who think Hussie advocates violence towards disabled people, women, and LGBT people? The acts of violence towards them was clearly evil, and the characters who hurt their friends have very rarely ever been shown in a good light! They are villains; they do things that go against the morality of the creator!

And the whole Equius thing: that was supposed to be really weird. When they ended up together at the end of that little scene, I think we were supposed to be really confused for a minute. The we learned that the trolls have 4 different kinds of love, which is rather odd, and what they had was the most poisonous type, with them hating each other, then boinking the going back to hating each other. (I think. I may need to review that whole mess again.) Yeah, it is weird. But I do not think he meant any harm from it. And that is my two cents.


1. Yes, there are. Depressing, isn't it?
2. The problem I had with it honestly stemmed more from people saying it was "OMG SO SWEET!!111" when they kissed, I think. (Keep in mind, though, that it was apparently supposed to be redrom from Equius' point of view. Aradia may have felt differently.)
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Posted on 01-27-11 11:45:26 PM Link | Quote
And the mood bounces right back with Terezi's shenanigans.

I'm betting it shifts right back in the next couple of pages.
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Posted on 01-28-11 04:53:25 AM (last edited by Arp1033 at 01-28-11 04:54 AM) Link | Quote
What is interesting is
Spoiler:
Terezi is having her shenanigans, but we can hear the HONK of her death coming. We know Gamgee survives for at least another 420 hours, and he did seem to imply he got someone else.
So it is both funny AND suspenseful!
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Posted on 01-30-11 09:51:39 PM Link | Quote
No tl;dr because if I spent an hour writing this, you either read it or ignore it.





When I started reading/watching/whatever Homestuck from a mention back I-don't-know-when, I decided to read Problem Sleuth beforehand, so the beginning shenanigans with the kids were still pretty nice. The meteors at the beginning introduced drama, but it was still fun, not too serious.

There was the intermission, which introduced permanent killing of special characters compared to the imps and ogres, but even then we knew from the beginning that it'd be that way.

Then there was the introduction of trolls, which was a parallel to the kids' beginning and still pretty funny, though by nature of their culture was still somewhat serious, such as Eridan's and Vriska's common murders (though with some justification).

Spoiler:
Then they showed how Tavros became disabled, then how Vriska "died". That was when I started getting worried a bit, though otherwise the troll shenanigans were present.

...Until, recenty, Jack killed Nepeta and Feferi in their dreams. Not funny at all, killing major main characters like that, and yet (as Auxiliatrix noted) people were cheering, were amused by all this. A single "DOOF" doesn't make the whole death funny, idiots! And then Tavros' final murder by Vriska, who so far got away unpunished, and then Eridan's attack on Feferi, Sollux and Kanaya.


Before I continue, may I add something? When the trolls were introduced back in the kids' part as messaging trolls, I just thought of them as somewhat annoying. I liked the kids, of course. The introduction of the trolls made me think that in retrospect they weren't so bad. So here's a list of how I felt about each:
- Karkat, I liked, as the "main character" of the troll act, the first one introduced.
- Aradia, I liked, as a victim and otherwise very nice.
- Tavros, who I really liked and felt compassionate to considering his circomstances, as most probably did.
- Sollux, who I did like considering his capabilities and stuff, not really doing anything bad.
- Nepeta, who I also liked for her personality and "cute" image. Her relation to Equius didn't bother me too much.
- Kanaya, whose personality I liked, even if she's thought of as meddling by others.
- Terezi, though she did kill some, still thought it was for justice, which I respect, moreso after she stopped siding with...
- Vriska. See later.
- Equius I was iffy at first, with his want to enforce the blood caste, but him changing on that last part and his help of others made me like him.
- Gamzee, as a Capricorn, was interesting for me, especially as the "silly character"... which is why I fucking hate him now.
- Eridan. See later.
- Feferi, as the nice counterpart to Eridan as a sea troll and generally very nice, was likeable.

So yeah, I like every troll... except Vriska and Eridan. Why?
Spoiler:
They were introduced as "bad" trolls, even somewhat by their standards, for their common killings. At first I was only somewhat against them, somewhat lowered by the other trolls' fun... until Tavros' disabling was shown. Boom, against Vriska. Tavros' death was shown. Boom, raging against Vriska. Sollux's "KO" and both Feferi and Kanaya's deaths. Instant hate of Eridan.

In the forums, people were like, "If you hated Vriska, why don't you hate Eridan?" or vice versa. Guess what? We do!

Some justify this by saying, "It's a story, really serious now, so [trope]AnyoneCanDie[/trope]." No! It was fun at first, now there's nothing amusing anymore! If I read it at first, it was to distract myself, amuse myself. I didn't continue reading just to see my favorite characters die permanently!


No, Terezi does not counteract what just happened, especially knowing what's going to happen.





So yeah, angry rant against Andrew Hussie's comic, where he just drew himself... yeah. Not sure if I even want to continue reading, though I suppose I'm kinda forced to.
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Posted on 01-30-11 11:55:29 PM (last edited by Gabu at 01-31-11 12:07 AM) Link | Quote
While I respect your opinion, there are a few facts and personal opinions I need to say.

A.) I've considered it like reading a story. I grew attachments to the characters, but still felt detached enough where, frankly, so long as it wasn't a kid (and as a result would directly cause a bad ending), I didn't care if people died. Even with the Problem Sleuth-like beginning, I knew deep down shit would get real (considering I started reading just before or during Intermission).

B.) Back in my mind I knew characters would die because of evil forces. I accepted this. Hell, I called out Bro's death months in advance (especially after reading the character page of a certain anime).

C.) Sollux states in one page long ago that they were all going to die soon, so it comes to no shocker that all the trolls are now dying. I'm saddened (especially since Tavros is my "patron troll" and I can actually see a shitton of qualities in him that I have), but not raging. Again, knew months in advance, but only because the story said so.

D.) Andrew himself stated that he has planned out a grand story in this universe after finishing Problem Sleuth. Essentially, things would be more serious because events were planned out (though the idea of trolls did come after Homestuck started)

E.) In terms of the trolls as a whole, the fanbase seems to have taken an extreme liking towards them since Act 5 Act 1 (I guess including myself). I can see how some people think they have hijacked the whole story, but their side is very important if we are to understand what is happening on the kids' front, since they have significant direct influence, and that's how Andrew does his storytelling in the first place (generally changing perspectives and in some cases time). It was Vriska after all that helped John read God Tier, even if it did involve him dying a second time.

F.) IDE/Theory: Considering how, in the end, there wasn't any real significant deaths in Problem Sleuth (and admittedly several other, more important factors), I theorize that the same will happen in Homestuck, since the objective of Sburb is to apparently create a universe in which to rule. Considering that the kids reach the good ending with no unresolved issues and the use of double-mobius reacharounds in several instances or the story, the kids end up creating the trolls' universe (or like a troll/human hybrid, though it wouldn't really fit with the reacharound thing), then meet up with them there, possibly. I find this supported by the red/blue bifurcation obsession Sollux has, considering his universe is in his blue lens, and the humans in the red. If there's a troll/human hybrid universe where Sburb no longer exists, then I guess it's the purple universe where everything is unified.

G.) I am probably fandumb at this point.

Essentially, I'm not mad at the events that have happened in the last few weeks. Kinda saw them coming a mile away (though the methods were pretty surprising (And now I'm drawing a Darth Vader/Ben and Eridan/Kanaya parallel wtf) and kinda a sudden thing). I enjoy his method of storytelling, and he is a fairly good writer, achieving both comedy and tragedy in the span of pages (though I guess mood whiplash could apply) and still be moderately believable considering how the characters are developed.

TL;DR: Homestuck =/= Problem Sleuth, even since the beginning, though a happy ending for all the "good guys" (yes, even Vriska and Eridan to my chagrin) like Problem Sleuth isn't exactly busted. Not saying it was wrong to expect Problem Sleuth, but kinda foolish to think the same story mechanics would apply. Essentially the fandom is split at this point. Either you "like" the events (as in don't care, understand why this was done and have accepted it, etc. etc.) or you hate it. Frankly, I think the side who hates it are overreacting.

And, now that I've seen that page again, I have notice that Homestuck has evolved stylistically since it began almost two years ago. To tl;dr why I'm willing to "hand wave" it: The characters themselves have grown and evolved, and as they make this "quest into adulthood" (oh jeez high school flashbacks), the feel of their universe as a whole changed as well. If John were to have made this discovery now, as his father now calls him "truly an adult man", he probably wouldn't freak out as much. Yes, even in the span of several hours in his perspective, he has changed.

H.) I am totally fandumb at this point. THIS IS STUPID.
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Posted on 01-31-11 09:18:39 AM Link | Quote
I always took this as some sort of serious story that still manage to pull of funny as hell jokes when I started reading it.

In fact, I like this story. Too many stories has overall happy endings and no one ever dies. I'd say that the fact that people die and have in-story drama adds to the story rather then subtracts from it. :<
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Posted on 01-31-11 10:19:20 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Karis
I always took this as some sort of serious story that still manage to pull of funny as hell jokes when I started reading it.

In fact, I like this story. Too many stories has overall happy endings and no one ever dies. I'd say that the fact that people die and have in-story drama adds to the story rather then subtracts from it. :<

This, pretty much.
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