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Flygon
Posts: 9/22
Originally posted by Halian
Honestly, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Coalition broke up and the factions formalized into the Liberal and National Parties (and perchance others if necessary).

More to the point, it's entirely plausible the Liberal party would split up into a Conservative, and... well, Liberal parties. But given the way the Conservative faction play, I'm not sure they'd be very keen on losing the Liberal branding... and obviously the more Liberal portion of the party doesn't want to lose that branding either.

But, who knows. There's already been some people splitting off from the Liberals to form their own party - ie. Cory Bernardi.
Halian
Posts: 462/472
Originally posted by Flygon
To be clear - That's an astoundingly strong swing towards Labor. We've been having some incredibly strong swings lately on a state level.

I wonder what Australia's political future will be. The Liberal Party refuses to formalize a faction system. They have the capability to further split themselves into multiple parties whilst maintaining a Coalition, but there's a few good reasons that none of the factions would want to do that.

The Liberal Party is is going to be very unstable into the future.
But the Murdoch media are going to stick right by them regardless.

Labor's internal policies makes future spills whilst they're in power almost impossible, to boot. After their own past, uh, experiences.
I can see Labor being the stable party into the future.


Honestly, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Coalition broke up and the factions formalized into the Liberal and National Parties (and perchance others if necessary).
Halian
Posts: 461/472
Originally posted by Tarale
I wish to giggle at the idea that Labor is "left wing".


Only relatively so, same as the Democrats here. :/
Tarale
Posts: 1813/1876
I wish to giggle at the idea that Labor is "left wing".
Flygon
Posts: 8/22
To be clear - That's an astoundingly strong swing towards Labor. We've been having some incredibly strong swings lately on a state level.

I wonder what Australia's political future will be. The Liberal Party refuses to formalize a faction system. They have the capability to further split themselves into multiple parties whilst maintaining a Coalition, but there's a few good reasons that none of the factions would want to do that.

The Liberal Party is is going to be very unstable into the future.
But the Murdoch media are going to stick right by them regardless.

Labor's internal policies makes future spills whilst they're in power almost impossible, to boot. After their own past, uh, experiences.
I can see Labor being the stable party into the future.
Halian
Posts: 458/472
Meanwhile, things are looking up for the left-wing Australian Labor Party.

Newspoll's latest poll, taken August 24-25, shows Labor ahead of the Coalition 41-33 (Greens 10, One Nation 7, others 9) straight up, and 56-44 two-party preferred (which is after preference flows have been taken into account; Australia uses instant-runoff voting.)

This translates into a 5.5% swing to Labor, according to The Australian*, and hence a 21-seat gain for Labor, 90-55-5.

* (The Australian is owned by News Corp, which is run by Rupert Murdoch and his family, and as such leans conservative; their main competitor in Australian news is Fairfax Media, whose stable includes the center-left Sydney Morning Herald. I don't usually read conservative-leaning newspapers, but wanted to seek out one's coverage of the latest poll to see how they would spin the result; however, it looks like the numbers I just quoted were released by Newspoll, the company that organized the poll in question, not The Australian.)
Tarale
Posts: 1812/1876
Originally posted by Gabu
I've to ask, since America is currently in its darkest timeline and keeping us conveniently distracted from world events; What happened?

We had another leadership spill.

Australian politics works differently to US politics. We don't vote for our Prime Minister the way you guys vote for a President. We vote for our local representative. Often, our local representative belongs to one of two major political parties (Labor or Liberal), and the party with the most elected representatives gets to form a government. The party has a leader, and this leader is the Prime Minister (if they're in government) or the leader of the opposition (if they're not).

Currently we have a Liberal/Coalition government, and the party became unhappy with Malcolm Turnbull's leadership so they decided to have a "spill". Out of that we got a new Prime Minister (Scott Morrison).

Also I've decided he's just as bad as the one we could have had (Peter Dutton). Scott Morrison's into the whole trickle-down economics thing, he's a pentecostal Christian who voted against same-sex marriage, and he was behind a lot of our horribly cruel policies and mistreatment of refugees. But he doesn't look like an evil potato so there's that.
Gabu
Posts: 9852/9870
I've to ask, since America is currently in its darkest timeline and keeping us conveniently distracted from world events; What happened?
Tarale
Posts: 1811/1876
I'm drinking wine and staring into the void.

Stupid Canberra.
Xenesis
Posts: 2511/2543
Originally posted by Tarale
Prime Ministerial Musical Chairs has wrapped up again. This particular round was exceptionally brutal.

The new PM is horrible, but the old PM is horrible too. The new PM is not as horrible as he could have been though. Like, barely. He's still horrifically horrible.


I am eating potatoes tonight in recognition that Australia avoided the darkest timelime very narrowly for the pretty dark but survivable timeline.
Tarale
Posts: 1810/1876
Prime Ministerial Musical Chairs has wrapped up again. This particular round was exceptionally brutal.

The new PM is horrible, but the old PM is horrible too. The new PM is not as horrible as he could have been though. Like, barely. He's still horrifically horrible.
Tarale
Posts: 1604/1876
Is… is he resigning?
Tarale
Posts: 1600/1876
Yeah, I'd love to vote them to death. I keep hoping one of these crises will bring them down, but they just have utter contempt for the law, the Australian public, and decency.
Xenesis
Posts: 2449/2543
Ah, yeah.

I'm not wordsing very well because I'm grossly fatigued at the moment, so uh I may have sounded a bit more flippant than intended.

Either way, too long till we can vote against these buggers. Hopefully they will continue to demonstrate why they should never be re-elected until that day.
Tarale
Posts: 1598/1876
Oh yeah, I don't mean the cheating is more important than that. Just stating why I care about it *at all*. The way this government has behaved with everything has been disgusting. The citizenship crisis should have had greater consequences too, but they just… do what they… fucking want???? It's a pattern of behaviour from this government.
Xenesis
Posts: 2448/2543
The part that I care about is that he's still there without being charged with a criminal offence, forced to resign or stepped down.

But hey, the law and convention only applies to those not on the hard-right.
Tarale
Posts: 1597/1876
I care about all of it, the cheating, and the corruption. The cheating mostly because of his role in the anti marriage equality stuff though.
Xenesis
Posts: 2446/2543
Hoo, boy that's a can of worms.

The annoyance that the media is focusing on the least important part though is the worst thing. Australia doesn't care if you're schtucking your lady friend and cheating on your wife, Australia cares if you're engaging in corruption.
Tarale
Posts: 1590/1876
In What The Fuck Australia news I would just like to say

Barnaby Joyce
Xenesis
Posts: 2415/2543
The smoking gun is "how many of these have been sold off to private individuals/foreign government agents without being accounted for".

And yeah, the ABC is pretty dang responsible, but that's the job description for a public but independent broadcaster.
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