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Tarale
Posts: 1807/1808
Aw, thank you! I'd tell you to read Homestuck, but I understand that's a big time investment. There are some character relationships that I've tried to show (they're across from one another) with the symmetry pic.

Thanks for noticing the attention to detail on the self portrait too. It's probably why it does actually look like me… although my hair is not purple at the moment. It *would* be if I had time and money, but the toddler is very demanding and I am kind of broke all the time.
Peardian
Posts: 7405/7406
These are cute. I know very little about Homestuck, but I like the design of that pic. I also like the attention to detail in the self-portrait, such as the lighting on the neck and brow.
Tarale
Posts: 1806/1808
It-a me!

Tarale
Posts: 1797/1808


Homestuck is still good, you guys.
Tarale
Posts: 1780/1808


New She-Ra, part of a big needlessly symmetrical thing that won't upload for some reason.
Tarale
Posts: 1764/1808
I used to do a lot more stuff with cheap ballpoint pens. I also used to do a lot more doodling at work though, too… I have no idea where the actual drawing on paper is any more, but I have all sorts of old crap in my computer. I don't think I've done anything on paper since this unicorn in 2016. Right now is definitely not a good time to get out all the pencils and markers and things…

Life is… definitely hard, at times. It has its good points, and its bad points. Learning to be kind to yourself through all the ups and downs is the kind of work that… basically goes on forever.
Xkeeper
Posts: 23358/23358
yeah that shading is fuckin bad ass and while yeah sure the eyes on the face seem a little far apart and maybe the arm is weird it's an actual drawn in pen thing on paper, so, yeah. dang. it's p good


I guess that's often easier said than done though… in art, and in life generally.

literally true about everything! life sucks
Tarale
Posts: 1763/1808
Originally posted by Xkeeper
this one as in jul or one of the old acmlm versions? because if it was here, oof. whoever said that was a real butthead


Actually, that's a good point, I think it might have been late acmlm? I'm not quite sure now, it's… probably around the time this board was founded and maybe a reason why I'm here and not at whatever is left of there (if there is anything?). I only remember that it was in response to this picture:



And yeah, there's some weird face shit going on here (oh haha and some weird arm shit I just noticed too). But that ballpoint pen tonal rendering? Fucken top notch.

Edit: it's fucking date stamped. It can't be *here* then with that date stamp.

Originally posted by Xkeeper
i'll entirely admit that it's probably me projecting what i see in a lot of people (extremely unhelpful self-negativity) here. a lot of people forget that while self-criticism is good, one also has to appreciate the good parts — even if it's just doing something. (though in your case, after 15+ years, there's a lot of good to appreciate, heh.)


I definitely have my own unhealthy self-negativity, but I'm trying very hard to move away from it when it comes from my art. I guess that's often easier said than done though… in art, and in life generally. If there's something in particular I appreciate about my old art though, I do think I was better at uncomplicated "cute", and my improved realism is getting in the way. I'm guessing at some point I'll be able to cycle back to some of it.
Xkeeper
Posts: 23358/23358
Originally posted by Tarale
Oh, I agree that I can be a tough critic. But I also think people sometimes think that's a self-esteem thing and not a self-evaluation thing.

Some of it's a self-esteem thing. It's hard not to compare yourself to other artists, too.

But I also don't get a lot of critique from other people… and when I do, it… sometimes it's just mean. I was once told on this forum (a very long time ago)

this one as in jul or one of the old acmlm versions? because if it was here, oof. whoever said that was a real butthead


Anyway, I digress. I've found that to improve, I need to look critically at my own work. If I didn't notice things like arms being too long or spines being weirdly shaped, I wouldn't study how to improve them. I finally figured out that the "ugly" stuff was facial proportion issues, often things like overlarge foreheads. I still accidentally make ugly art and there's all kinds of things I don't notice I'm doing wrong. Sometimes I can't tell what's "off" about something (like the Rainbow Brite thing), but without being critical of my own work I'd never get any better.

i'll entirely admit that it's probably me projecting what i see in a lot of people (extremely unhelpful self-negativity) here. a lot of people forget that while self-criticism is good, one also has to appreciate the good parts — even if it's just doing something. (though in your case, after 15+ years, there's a lot of good to appreciate, heh.)

Tarale
Posts: 1759/1808
Oh, I agree that I can be a tough critic. But I also think people sometimes think that's a self-esteem thing and not a self-evaluation thing.

Some of it's a self-esteem thing. It's hard not to compare yourself to other artists, too.

But I also don't get a lot of critique from other people… and when I do, it… sometimes it's just mean. I was once told on this forum (a very long time ago) that my art was "ugly". I didn't mean to make ugly art, and I didn't know what I was doing that was making it ugly. I got a little upset and defensive and I said that wasn't helpful. I was told I couldn't take criticism, and that I just wanted people to kiss my arse. I stopped drawing for a long time.

Anyway, I digress. I've found that to improve, I need to look critically at my own work. If I didn't notice things like arms being too long or spines being weirdly shaped, I wouldn't study how to improve them. I finally figured out that the "ugly" stuff was facial proportion issues, often things like overlarge foreheads. I still accidentally make ugly art and there's all kinds of things I don't notice I'm doing wrong. Sometimes I can't tell what's "off" about something (like the Rainbow Brite thing), but without being critical of my own work I'd never get any better.

But yeah, I agree that the first one is cute. The face is my favourite part of that one.
Xkeeper
Posts: 23358/23358
I think that order is probably what I would rank them in too (newest, oldest, newer, older).

I also think that you're your own worst critic, though. The first one really is good and cute
Tarale
Posts: 1755/1808
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Good grief, I remember seeing the original back when it was new.

Though even comparing against this one, I don't think any of the old ones are bad; they're all quite good, but the attention to detail is a lot more obvious in this one

Yeah, I've been doing this for a long time… although that's what makes this piece so good for comparing progress.

I'm not sure I agree with you that the others aren't bad, although I do find the oldest the most charming and cute. The 2005 one bothers me the most, because the face is very strange, and the anatomy is quite… disturbing. Those arms, for instance, would come almost down to her knees if she were standing straight upright. Her spine appears to be broken, too.

It's funny you mention attention to detail. I always thought, while I was actually working on each version, that they were quite detailed pieces. The 2010 one was never finished because I ran out of steam doing all the details (I probably spent too long rendering the hair). I guess with each version my skills have improved though and the details are definitely more realised.

P.S. The flowers on the cheongsam dress are supposed to be catnip
Xkeeper
Posts: 23358/23358
Originally posted by Tarale
Catgirl, redraw of a thing I've done a few times over a few different years…



clicky here to look at every old and embarrassing version

Good grief, I remember seeing the original back when it was new.

Though even comparing against this one, I don't think any of the old ones are bad; they're all quite good, but the attention to detail is a lot more obvious in this one

Tarale
Posts: 1751/1808
A Rainbow Brite that I have mixed feelings about, from one of the Pride month drawing prompts on Sketch Dailies.

Tarale
Posts: 1722/1808
A big PC is definitely gutsier, but I'm not sure it's that big a deal these days as the iPad Pro is definitely very capable.

Whatever you get, make sure it's something you'll find easy to fit into your lifestyle. It's not much point getting one for the computer if you find you want to veg out on the couch at night and you find you doodle in a notebook instead. Likewise, it's not much use getting an iPad if you're going to be at your computer anyway.

I'm finding I don't use my Wacom Cintiq and computer that often at the moment because the baby doesn't let me disappear into my office. But I definitely manage to use my sketchbook or iPad because I can sneak away to the couch.

Either way you'll have access to all the layers you could ever need. Perhaps when I get a moment (hahaha when's that) I'll try to do a kind of tutorial thing on my ever-changing method. I'll pop that in a different thread though, like the one I set up for tips and tricks.
Nin★Collin
Posts: 119/143
Wow, thanks for all the suggestions!

I haven't decided whether I want to go the iPad route or the computer graphics tablet route though. I might go the iPad route simply due to portability (like you said) but I could see some advantages of having one hooked up to a big PC.

I really like your suggestion about using layers and adjusting their opacity. Definitely will try that out once I get the hardware.
Tarale
Posts: 1719/1808
Originally posted by Nin★Collin
Wow, your stuff is really nice! I've been meaning to get into some digital art myself, do have any suggestions on where I should start? Any book/guide/tip/hardware suggestions would be quite useful.

Aww, thank you! And sure, I can suggest some things.

I guess for hardware it depends if you want to use your computer, or if you want something portable.

In recent years I've almost stopped using my computer entirely and I've switched to an iPad Pro (with the Pencil). I can draw straight on the screen, and can take it with me anywhere (I drew Elliot from Mr Robot on the bus!) and lounge on the couch with it (I did most of the rest on my couch). I use a program called Procreate which costs a little up-front but it's very easy to use and very powerful. Most of the things in this thread were created in Procreate on an iPad. I'm finding most of the popular digital artists seem to be switching to the iPad Pro and Procreate as well.

If you want to use your computer, I recommend a graphics tablet. I've always liked the Wacom ones, but if you want to draw directly on a screen they get expensive. It takes a while to get used to using these too, but generally it's easier than trying to sketch with a mouse.

I'm not sure I have any book recommendations specific to digital drawing and colouring. I mostly kind of wing it. I do have some YouTube videos of my work, like this one of me drawing/painting Eleven from Stranger Things or X, or Lulu from Final Fantasy X, or the catgirl, that might help you figure out what to do. There are LOTS of videos on YouTube of people drawing/painting and giving tips.

In general I make a lot of use of layers and blend modes. I almost always put my sketch layer on top of everything at lower opacity with "overlay" set, and then have colours underneath. I also make use of lower-opacity on my brushes, and use the colour picker a lot. You then go over a section lightly and use the colour picker to pick out intermediate shades for painting. I could probably put something in the tips thread sometime about it.

Ahhhh what else. Um. Clip Studio Paint is nice software if you can afford it. A lot of people like Paint Tool Sai (if you have Windows). Photoshop can be really good if you use Kyle Webster's brushes.
Nin★Collin
Posts: 118/143
Wow, your stuff is really nice! I've been meaning to get into some digital art myself, do have any suggestions on where I should start? Any book/guide/tip/hardware suggestions would be quite useful.
Tarale
Posts: 1697/1808
Mum found a folder of my very old art from when I was a teenager.
Tarale
Posts: 1683/1808
Aw, thanks! I'm really happy with how it turned out. I was always going for cute, but some attempts have been better than others…
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