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divingkataetheweirdo
Posts: 773/778
Originally posted by Cuber456
Pokemon blue prototype

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Pokemon-Blue-Prototype-Nintendo-Gameboy/263342141055?hash=item3d506a2e7f:g:FYEAAOSwFyhaF-Ez

The longer I look for prototypes, the more cynical and pessimistic I become with listings like this


More like "prototype". There's no screencaps of the prototype, the cartridge lacks "Nintendo" before "Game Boy", and it seems some labels were ripped off the cartridge.

Yeah, that auction is so bad. To be honest though, this doesn't look any better.

Company auctions are a more viable route at this point.
Cuber456
Posts: 755/757
Pokemon blue prototype

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Pokemon-Blue-Prototype-Nintendo-Gameboy/263342141055?hash=item3d506a2e7f:g:FYEAAOSwFyhaF-Ez

The longer I look for prototypes, the more cynical and pessimistic I become with listings like this
iniche
Posts: 12/12
Those Super Probotector protos are final or dumped.
Hiccup
Posts: 733/736
Two eBay listing by the same user:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nintendo-GameCube-kiosk-demos-Japan-2005-collection/302492839376
"Rare Japanese GameCube store kiosk demos. Some new and sealed. Complete 2005.01-2005.06, 2005.11. 7 discs total!"
US $300.00. 3 days left. Buy It Now/Best Offer.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nintendo-GameCube-kiosk-demos-Japan-2003-collection-almost-complete/302492839371
"Rare Japanese GameCube store kiosk demos. Some new and sealed. Complete 2003 set except 2003.01. 14 discs total!"
US $400.00. 3 days left. Buy It Now/Best Offer.

Most of Japanese demo discs are undumped and GameCube demo discs often have (multiple) pre-release demos and videos of games. These are priced pretty well per disc ($30-$40) in comparison to what I've seen them go for individually on Yahoo! Auctions.

Hiccup
Posts: 732/736
Originally posted by Cuber456
It’s clearly a Metroid Zero Mission Prototype

No wonder something looked off.
Too bad it isn't something new.
Cuber456
Posts: 754/757
Seller added title screen pic. Judging from the debug text, I believe that the cart has already been dumped as it matches the later of the 2 available MZM proto dumps. My assessment is that it is only valuable as a collector’s item and isn’t anything we don’t already have. Bummer.
Cuber456
Posts: 753/757
>Metroid Fusion Prototype
>It’s clearly a Metroid Zero Mission Prototype


I’m going off of memory here. Judging from the 5 pictures, they match the format/style of previous (2) MZM prototype ROMs that have been dumped so this looks legit. Whether this prototype is actually what has already been dumped, we can’t say. The only easy indicator would be to check the title screen of the prototype which isn’t shown here.

IIRC, the earlier of the two dumped protos of MZM was basically (final game) + (debug stuff activated). I’m glossing over a few details but the MF protos were a little more interesting because there actually were differences outside of just having debug stuff active. For this proto to have a chance to have value beyond being a cool collector’s item, it has to be an earlier proto than what we have dumped. Otherwise I’d say we already have this.
Hiccup
Posts: 731/736
Yeah, I should have noted that.

Also, another eBay item:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metroid-Fusion-Debug-GBA-Prototype-Nintendo-Game-Boy-Advance/112633316507?hash=item1a3978049b:g:V0AAAOSwxixaAjlH
Metroid Fusion debug prototype.
Dunno if it is the same as one of the dumped protos. Somebody more familiar with them would need to say. Can't check the debug ROM myself right now.
Edit: it is located in Europe and costs about 1000 euro
divingkataetheweirdo
Posts: 770/778
You'd have to see what's on those carts though. And given that these are from Europe, I'd say many of these are either PAL conversion prototypes (which are based on finalized NTSC versions, anyway) or finals, so not very interesting from a glance.
Hiccup
Posts: 730/736
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1482963778419161&id=134382693277283
French game shop got some protoypes and are selling them online. Includes Super Mario Land 2, Metroid II, Super Probotector. €149,90 to €699.90. Maybe someone wants to do a fundraiser?
(search their site for sample, proto, prototype, demo)
mmsc
Posts: 4/4
Originally posted by B00daW
Originally posted by mmsc
I have a Thunder & Lightning prototype for the NES: https://uploadfiles.io/39slr
I can't seem to get past the first level's title screen, so it may be a bad dump..

Might be worth someone looking into it.

mmsc: Please be made aware that you have accidentally dumped your Thunder & Lightning prototype as MMC1 instead of GNROM. Effectively instead of 32K bank switching there is 16K bankswitching instead -- thus every bank dumped there is 16K of PRG missing. The dump you have made available cannot be salvaged.

Please reference arantius's plugins at github for updated plugins.

I was surprised that it was not previously dumped as GNROM. From your pictures, it is apparent that the appropriate board is GNROM. Quite the shame that we hadn't caught this sooner before you sold the prototype.

Thank you so much for sharing your games with us; but one less bad dump in the wild also helps. Feel free to ask for more assistance at the NESdev boards if you come across further issues while dumping NES or Famicom carts.

I hope you find this information well and continue to aid in the preservation process with experience to come.

Hi b00daw,
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately at the time I was using a reference list for what to dump them with.
The Hatris one was also dumped as MMC1, but should be NROM.
Hiccup
Posts: 729/736
Some stuff I found on auction sites:

Yahoo! Auctions JP:
* https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c622878795 - official DS flashcart. The seller hasn't checked if it has anything on it. It has no label on it. 40,300 yen / 353 US dollars.
* https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w200309202 - 252 gamecube games including some not for resale games and "E3 mario". 200,000 yen / 1,753 US dollars.
* some boxed gamecube demos. can't tell if they are dumped or not.

eBay:
* http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DVD-promo-DEMO-GAMECUBE-GC/322789867937?hash=item4b27c681a1:g:NNcAAOSw0UdXuYKe - Spanish GameCube promo DVD. not dumped AFAIK.
Cuber456
Posts: 752/757
Yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinking. Especially because it has what looks to be a logo sticker slapped on it. Not that this is hard fact but I’m assuming a prototype that’s more “midway” through development would be less likely to have such a logo.
divingkataetheweirdo
Posts: 767/778
It could be a real prototype, but it's likely either close to final or is a final version. Not much to write about really. The only reason it costs so much is because it's in a development cartridge.
Cuber456
Posts: 751/757
Im not optimistic about this one being of real value but I’ll post it anyway.

Conker’s Bad Fur Day
divingkataetheweirdo
Posts: 764/778
Yep, I saw videos of them. However, as of yet, they are not yet dumped, so there's not a whole lot we can do.
MUGEN-tan
Posts: 144/146
Have you guys heard of the two on-rails prototype builds of Sonic R yet?
Or the split-screen prototype build of the Genesis Sonic 3D Blast?
Because they are real!
Flargy_Filler
Posts: 1/1
So a prototype of 007 The World Is Not Enough for N64 was dumped recently. The dumper says there's quite a large lists of differences, but I haven't checked it out.

https://www.obscuregamers.com/threads/the-world-is-not-enough-twine-beta.22674/

It's not no GoldenEye, but it's something.
B00daW
Posts: 1/1
Originally posted by mmsc
I have a Thunder & Lightning prototype for the NES: https://uploadfiles.io/39slr
I can't seem to get past the first level's title screen, so it may be a bad dump..

Might be worth someone looking into it.

mmsc: Please be made aware that you have accidentally dumped your Thunder & Lightning prototype as MMC1 instead of GNROM. Effectively instead of 32K bank switching there is 16K bankswitching instead -- thus every bank dumped there is 16K of PRG missing. The dump you have made available cannot be salvaged.

Please reference arantius's plugins at github for updated plugins.

I was surprised that it was not previously dumped as GNROM. From your pictures, it is apparent that the appropriate board is GNROM. Quite the shame that we hadn't caught this sooner before you sold the prototype.

Thank you so much for sharing your games with us; but one less bad dump in the wild also helps. Feel free to ask for more assistance at the NESdev boards if you come across further issues while dumping NES or Famicom carts.

I hope you find this information well and continue to aid in the preservation process with experience to come.
divingkataetheweirdo
Posts: 752/778
Originally posted by Rick
I'm just going to leave this little bit here.

There is always hope in the realm of NES prototypes.


Heard about this and it's nice to see there's more than one SimCity prototype out there. Wonder what we'll find here.
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